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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 15:55, 26 July 2007.

Póvoa de Varzim

 * FAC#1
 * FAC#2

As it is the city's feast day, is a nice day to try. Currently GA, FA on Portuguese wikipedia, and also FA on the Spanish. Good luck. Karanacs 14:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * support per nomination. --Pedro 20:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Support: A wonderful article. Couldn't find anything objectionable. DSachan 10:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) -Pedro 19:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This article is very well-written and comprehensive but lacks citations in multiple areas.  If the citations and a few minor issues are fixed, I would support this.
 * You need to have both standard and metric measurements.
 * "In the coastal plain, a Roman villa was constructed, the property of a Roman family — the Euracini, who mixed with the Castro people who returned to live on the plain — Villa Euracini probably developed in this way" - This sentence should be rewritten. It is long and unwieldy.  There is also no citation for this paragraph
 * >s>full dates should be wikilinked (March 26, 953)
 * missing citations for the paragraph that begins "The natural wealth of Varazim's coast"
 * must have a citation immediately following direct quotations, such as "the people who most worked and better knew the sea"
 * Need a citation for the 1892 tragedy
 * should be consistent in use of square meters or m2
 * Need citation for "threatened by holiday-makers, dune-based sports, and coastal constructions"
 * Need citation for paragraph beginning "in the urban sphere,"
 * Need citations for these sentences: "The city possesses a microclimate and is considered the region least subject to frosts in all northern Portugal due to the winter winds that, normally, blow from south and southwest. Snowfall is truly rare."
 * Need citation for "Most of Póvoa de Varzim’s population growth and commercial development are occurring in the eastern parts of the city."
 * Need citation for "This neighbourhood has triggered the development of neighbouring areas, such as Agro-Velho, Barreiros, and Parque da Cidade."
 * Need citations for last 2 paragraphs of cityscape section
 * Is Ruralscape a word?
 * Ruralscape section needs citations
 * Several paragraphs in culture are not cited
 * Arts and Entertainment Section is completely uncited
 * Citations that are not in English should have their language specified
 * External links should be in a structured list (one link per line). I think there are too many links here.


 * 1) done.
 * 2) done. referenced and reworded.
 * 3) done. full dates wikified.
 * 4) done. added reference
 * 5) done. added reference
 * 6) done. added reference
 * 7) done.
 * 8) done. added reference
 * 9) done. added references
 * 10) done.
 * 11) done. removed sentence. although true today, it won't be with the new projects on the coast. So the best is to delete, as it is obsolete.Added ref for previous sentence.
 * 12) done. I've rephrased the sentence to follow the Urbanization plan reference.
 * 13) done. added reference to the 1st. Deleted the last sentence, redundant with festivals section.
 * 14) done. changed to "Countryside"
 * 15) done. added 2 more references.
 * 16) done. all paragraphs with references.
 * 17) done. added 3 references. That section is mostly enumerating venues and events.
 * 18) done. language added
 * 19) done. Only five remain (the most important city hall, libraries, the 2 main news weeklies, and a map). it seems very clean now, thanks for that tip.
 * As I address objections, I'll correct my post. --Pedro 19:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It took some days, but everything was fixed. -Pedro 19:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of your changes look good, but there are still sentences that use peacock terms that aren't sourced. For example, if you describe something as "noteworthy" or "well-known," it should be sourced.   Look especially at the paragraphs that have no citations -- I didn't do a thorough check of all of them, but at least several had these types of descriptions and no source.  Karanacs 18:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There was that problem in "leisure" and "Countryside" and in "sports", although these weren't really peacock terms if you read in the context of the paragraph. Nevertheless the problem is corrected. The "noteworthy" term was in countryside, I've removed the word, used a description and added a source. Added a couple more references throughout the article. --Pedro 18:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Support very informative and well-sourced article. e me impressiona artigos bem escritos sobre Portugal... igordebraga ≠ 02:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Support very informative and well-sourced article. e me impressiona artigos bem escritos sobre Portugal... igordebraga ≠ 02:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose. I applaud the effort Pedro continues to put into this article and the improvement over time, but the prose is subpar. Now on its third round at FAC, the article still requires an independent copyedit by a native speaker of English. Sample sentence: Between 1308 and 1836, the municipality was made up of a single parish territory of which, over time, grew to approach the medieval borders. Here is a sample paragraph:
 * Poveiros have migrated to other places and this attenuated the population growth. One should notice that the Poveiros tended to create their own associations abroad, there are Casa dos Poveiros (Poveiros House) in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo), Germiston in South Africa and Toronto in Canada. In Rio de Janeiro, the community was known by not wanting other peoples of other origins, including Portuguese born in other towns, within their community. During the emigration period of the 20th century, many Poveiros emigrated in Brazil returned, as many refused to loose Portuguese nationality.[70] Due to fisher classes affairs, the fisher areas of Vila do Conde, Esposende and Matosinhos suffer from strong Poveiro cultural influence. In a 2005 study published by the Expresso, Póvoa de Varzim was considered the seventh most developed, in terms of quality of life, among the Portuguese municipalities and the most developed in Porto district. The newspaper Primeiro de Janeiro honoured Póvoa, on the same occasion, as the "city of future" in the Porto district, in fields such as environment, cultural heritage, music, sports, and literary events.

There are still MOS issues: citations are not correctly formatted (see WP:CITE/ES, all websources need publisher and last access date), common terms are wikilinked (see WP:CONTEXT), and dashes aren't used correctly (see WP:DASH). Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose Pending a more thorough copyedit. I've tried to improve the prose, but it is still very much Portuguese-inflected and sometimes grammatically incorrect. I congratulate the effort which has gone into this article, and I know that it is extraordinarily difficult to achieve "brilliant prose" when one is translating :) (as I presume this article was adapted from pt.wikipedia). I would like to note that my only objections are to the prose and the few incomplete references (such as "Póvoa de Varzim, Um Pé na Terra, Outro no Mar" and "Borges, Júlio. A Paisagem Poveira.") Otherwise, the article is thorough and comprehensive, well-referenced (it's probably impossible to find English sources for such an article) and makes excellent use of images. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * strong support brilliant article on a city. Shining example ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?"    Contribs 16:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.