Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Palpatine

Palpatine
Previous nomination: Featured article candidates/Palpatine/archive1

Self-nomination This is an article about a main character from Star Wars. I revised it using the guideline Manual of Style (writing about fiction). This article was at peer review recently and was copy-edited to tighten the prose and decrease cruft. It is comprehensive and well-sourced. I'm sure there are still some wrinkles that need ironing, thanks in advance for your input. Dmoon1 21:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Support I am very impressed with this article's progress since its last nomination. Great job! Judgesurreal777 03:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Support. Another great article about a star wars character. The people at Wikiproject:Star Wars do seem to have a keen understanding of Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Excellent. Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Support. Very good article. means alot morte than just Star Wars. Team6and7 14:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Support. I've seen several fictional character articles, and this is the best example yet. The interweaving of Ian's commentary with explanation of Palpatine's nature is unique and articulates his characteristics well. It also stays on track, not straying too far into pop culture trivia. Good job; this is a great template for future articles of this kind. --Zeality 16:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dmoon1 03:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support. Dmoon1 14:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Why is there a Darth Sidious article? CG 08:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Because some editors here feel that protecting people from knowledge is more important than Wikipedia's objective of spreading knowledge (hint: look at the spoiler tag). It's the same reason we're stuck with the senseless presence of both a Darth Vader page and an Anakin Skywalker page (despite their shared identity being pop culture since 1983). Ryu Kaze 11:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I would just like to point out that I had nothing to do with that, but Ryu is correct. This is the result of a debate that took place several months ago. Darth Sidious and Palpatine were two separate articles created before Revenge of the Sith was released when their relationship was not confirmed in the fiction. Some people did not want to spoil this connection, feeling that the movie was too new and Palpatine's identity was not common knowledge to most people. Dmoon1 14:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dmoon1 16:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support! Dmoon1 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Support Object the entire first two sections (10 paragraphs worth) of Appearances (Star Wars films and Clone Wars miniseries) have NO references. Otherwise, very nice work. Rlevse 20:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)...Rlevse 20:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Support Well referenced, well researched, talks about the character from an out-of-universe perspective and covers all major topics regarding Palpatine. LuciferMorgan 13:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Support better than last time. Hope Darth Vader is next... igordebraga ≠ 16:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Support. Just as good as the other two Star Wars character articles (gee, who were those written by...)--Dark Kubrick 01:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is the standard practice for plot summaries from film- and television-related articles. It has always been understood that the work described is the reference. Look at the other film, television, video game, and character featured articles. Dmoon1 20:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * While I agree with Dmoon1 in principle, in practice I personally use references for plot-related stuff, especially when there might be some disagreement among fans as to what something means. (Examples: Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy X-2) In either case, I personally wouldn't object over something like this, as it is understood that the work being discussed is itself the reference. Even so, I would advise you, Dmoon, to add plot-related references sometimes. Even if only one per paragraph or something like that (a general rule of thumb for most people who stick to this practice is two per paragraph). Again, not because I think this is a reason to object, but because sourcing this stuff 1) prevents any concerns over a lack of sources for information in the article, and 2) it prevents anyone who had a different interpretation of something from removing what's been verified and replacing it with fanfiction. So to summarize: it's not really grounds for objection, but sourcing plot info is a good idea because it provides other benefits. Ryu Kaze 21:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I can add citations to these. I just never do it unless it is something not apparently obvious from the film itself. Dmoon1 06:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, this has been done now. Dmoon1 06:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. In the section "Concept and creation" it says that "Lucas originally envisioned him as a weak ruler controlled by bureaucrats". This is almost repeated just a few lines below in the first paragraph of "Character creation", which says "Lucas's original conception of Palpatine was of a cunning but weak politician elevated into office and controlled by bureaucrats". Could you please do something about this. --Maitch 20:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I revised this somewhat, but it is going to be similar to the text that follows it because this is an introductory statement that briefly summarizes the section. Dmoon1 20:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. At least now it is only mentioned twice (also in the lead). I'm not to sure what to think about that introductory statement though. --Maitch 20:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I've always done this (this is my seventh featured article nomination) and this is the first time someone has mentioned it at FAC. I think it was a more obvious in this article; someone mentioned it in the peer review but I didn't really do anything about it. Dmoon1 20:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Support Tobyk777 00:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dmoon1 06:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Yet another well-researched and well-written article from Dmoon1! The Wookieepedian 00:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your support. Dmoon1 06:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Covers the topic well and from a real-world perspective without drifting into the perils of cruft and giving too much information. Well done. — BrianSmithson 03:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support and valuable comments at peer review. Dmoon1 06:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Not much to add... RN 03:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dmoon1 04:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose no trivia section. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 04:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Very funny. How's this for starters? "Palpatine likes to drink pink lemonade on Sunday evenings while watching reruns of Desperate Housewives." Dmoon1 04:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In other words, that's an invalid objection. The Wookieepedian 04:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He's just joking. His objection isn't meant to be taken seriously. Dmoon1 04:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OIC. :) The Wookieepedian 05:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support! Dmoon1 14:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dmoon1 16:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support and comments during peer review. Dmoon1 01:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)