Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Para Siempre/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:03, 2 May 2009.

Para Siempre

 * Nominator(s): Jaespinoza (talk) 07:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I think is ready to do so. It is about a Mexican traditional music album, and this genre is often despised since the main market for this kind of music is older people (at least in México) and this album approached a diferent audience. Para Siempre is already a Good Article but I see potential on it to become FA. Thanks. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: I left some edit summary samples of things like WP:DASH fixes needed.  Please have a look at WP:V and review WP:FCDW/Plagiarism for a discussion of caution needed to avoid too closely paraphrasing text on translations.  For example:
 * The late Tex-Mex performer Selena was the only performer to achieve this feat, when her album Dreaming of You replaced her own Amor Prohibido at the top of the chart in 1995.
 * Selena era la única que había logrado semejante hazaña, cuando en 1995 “Dreaming of you” sustituyó a “Amor Prohibido” en la primera posición.
 * Re-arranging the words on a translation doesn't avoid plagiarism. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I did some rewording for that part. Jaespinoza (talk) 19:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Has this issue been completely resolved? I cannot read Spanish so I can't check it myself. Awadewit (talk) 22:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Tech. Review
 * Ref formatting checks out fine with WP:REFTOOLS.
 * Fix the 2 disambiguation links Fixed Jaespinoza (talk) 21:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There are no dead external links-- T ru  c o   18:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Image review - The single fair use image meets WP:NFCC. Awadewit (talk) 04:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * Sources that are in languages other than English need to have that language noted in the reference (current ref 3 (Biograffia...) which seems to lead to a deadlink page also?. Fixed. Jaespinoza (talk) 19:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Note that I passed this article for GA. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I have some concerns about the comprehensiveness and organization of this article.
 * Copyediting - I would suggest finding a good copyeditor to look over this article. There are a few infelicities that seem to stem from the article being written by a non-native speaker. If you cannot find one, I would be happy to finish the copyediting I started once the other issues I raised are resolved.


 * I'm not sure where the third paragraph of "Recording" goes in the chronology. It seems to come after the events in the second paragraph, but I am not sure. Also, the paragraph begins with a quotation, but the reader is not sure who is saying it.


 * I would suggest creating a "Composition" or "Musical style" section. As this is a musical album, one of the major areas of interest about it is going to be the music. There is some material in "Recording" that could be moved into such a section, but some additional research might be required. You could also include a short audio clip. (See Adore (album), for example.)
 * I am researching to expand the section. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The "Reception" section is mostly a listing of awards. Are there more relevant reviews that could be added?
 * Did not find any. Latin albums are not reviewed by many critics, and for regional mexican music, the reviews are very, very few.
 * We usually don't include "Controversy" sections but rather include the information where it is most appropriate in the article. I would suggest moving this information into the "Commercial release" section. I'm not quite sure why the song was prohibited in the first place - could you make that clearer as well?
 * Fixed. Neither Fernández and Sebastian release an statement about the issue. I though the note was interesting enough to appear in the article, but I didn't find their opinion about it. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I hope these suggestions are helpful. Awadewit (talk) 22:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose, 1b, 1c. I concur with Awadewit that some material seems to be missing. At the very least, I would expect more prose about the album's style and quite a bit more detail about the musical elements of the songs and album as a whole. More research is needed. -- Laser brain  (talk)  18:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for your reviews, I am researching to expand the article. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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