Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paul Kelly (musician)/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Karanacs 13:48, 27 September 2011.

Paul Kelly (musician)

 * Nominator(s): Dan arndt (talk) 08:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets all the criteria. This article has been developed since August 2008, initially improving it to B-class and then onto 'Good Article' by September 2008. In 2010 the article was further updated. The article was then subject to a peer review and further updated. The article was then nominated in June 2010, as a 'Featured Article' candidate, unfortunately it's nomination failed at the time. The article was subsequently be reworked in early 2011 addressing all those issues raised in the last FAC, this was then followed by a second peer review with further updates made. As a result I believe that it now is in a form worthy of consideration as a 'Featured Article'. This is a joint submission by myself and shaidar cuebiyar (talk). Dan arndt (talk) 08:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Kelly's mother moved to Brisbane, where she died in 2000." - source?
 * Done
 * Check formatting of quotes, particularly as regards MOS:ELLIPSIS
 * I think I've got all these: removed unnecessary square brackets around ellipses.
 * Use a consistent and logical formatting for editions
 * See below.
 * Don't italicize format notations
 * I've added type=musical score for two refs.
 * Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
 * I think I've got all these.
 * If you're going to include publisher locations, use something more specific than "Australia"
 * Done
 * Retrieval dates aren't required for convenience links to print-based sources like Google Books
 * I think I got all these.
 * If you're citing a source written by the subject of the article, you need to include that source in the references section, even if it appears in Bibliography
 * Done
 * Don't include full bibliographic info in Specific references for sources included in General - just use a shortened citation. Conversely, General references should have shortened citations pointing to them
 * With the former: I assume you mean Nimmervoll at Allmusic cf. Nimmervoll at Howlspace? I think I've sorted that out now. Some unused General refs have been deleted: they were used in the formation of the article but are no longer required.
 * Be consistent in what info is provided for publisher locations
 * I think I've got all these.
 * Be consistent in what is wikilinked when
 * Not sure: see below.
 * Book sources need page numbers
 * Some book sources don't give page numbers, e.g. Who's Who of Australian Rock, Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop, and Australian Chart Book 1970–1992 (sourced by Kent Music Report) give entries under Artist name. The two former sources already had entry names (separately per entry in the Specific refs subsection) and I've just added the entry names for Kent Music Report charting. I've supplied page numbers for Don't start me talking: lyrics 1984–2004 which replaced the Lyrics source. Page numbers have been supplied for other books or a url for on-line source.
 * What makes this a high-quality reliable source? This? This? This? This? This? This?
 * These are discussed below.
 * Use a consistent format for theses/dissertations
 * I only found one thesis.
 * Found another 'Discourse' which I've formatted as a thesis/dissertation.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Multi-page documents need page numbers in citations, as do magazines, journals and newspapers for which no web links are provided
 * I think I've got all these but I'm still checking.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In general, formatting could be more consistent. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've attempted to tackle most of these points but require further clarification on:


 * 1) "consistent and logical formatting for editions": Do you mean the Notes at the end of some refs regarding accessibility of online versions? Or is there some other problem that I'm not seeing?
 * 2) I've adjusted those Notes that refer to online versions and placed a type=online.
 * 3) "Be consistent in what is wikilinked when": not sure where this can be improved. Different editors and reviewers have indicated different preferences as to what should/shouldn't be wikilinked. At its last Copy Editing wikilinkage was addressed by Diannaa of the Guild. If you have specific concerns could you please provide examples.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 14:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) I think I've finally figured out what you meant here: sorry for my misunderstanding. I hope I've got it right.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick comments by Efe
 * I'm bothered by the seemingly unorganized prose. There are short and long paragraphs that tend to break the flow. --Efe (talk) 12:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I take this to mean that you'd like to see the paragraphs to be about the same size and so I will shorten long ones and conjoin adjacent short ones where possible. This may take a little time: I will attempt to do so within three days of this reply.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 14:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Comment – Per MOS:LAYOUT, Main templates should immediately follow the headings. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  01:34, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done–shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyscape checks - No issues were revealed by Copyscape searches. Graham Colm (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Comments on sources
 * 1) AMWS is recognised by the Music Council of Australia as a worthwhile resource. See (here).shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:57, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Howlspace has been edited by Ed Nimmervoll, who is also a major contributor, since 2000. See about and here. Nimmervoll has been a journalist & editor for Australian pop & rock music magazines since the mid-1960s. He has also authored books on the subject. His comments at Howlspace on Kelly parallel those he wrote on Kelly for Allmusic.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) IMDb at [98] provides a summary page of the Awards won which are each independently verified by refs [27], [94], [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [104], [105], [106], [107], [108], [109]. Hence its reliability is verified by 13 other refs. At [126] and [127] it provides cast/crew information verified by [128] and [129].shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) I've decided to delete the IMDb refs from the article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) FilmAffinity is a movie recommendation website since 2001. See here (in Spanish, google translation here) which was voted in the best entertainment pages by PC Magazine in 2004. The article being cited is written by one of its founders, Pablo Kurt.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) I've replaced this ref with one from Murdoch University.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 14:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) I don't know enough to make a case for Bill Pagel so I will replace this ref with another one from dumbthings (see here)
 * 8) I can't argue with you there – I made a similar point to this on the talkpage back in July, but didn't delete that sentence after giving the editor the opportunity to do so. I'll delete it now – sorry.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


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