Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Percy LeSueur/archive1


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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 01:48, 26 October 2011.

Percy LeSueur

 * Nominator(s):  Maxim (talk)  20:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Percy LeSueur was an ice hockey goaltender from the early days of the sport. He played for a small-town team against in a Stanley Cup challenge series against then-holders, Ottawa. One of the better teams in its era, Ottawa was so impressed by his play that he was playing for them nine days after his original team had lost their challenge match. As regards the article, I feel that despite being a bit on the short side, it is a well-written, thorough account of the man and his sixty years dedicated to the game of hockey, and consequently deserves FA status.  Maxim (talk)  20:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Be consistent in whether ISBNs are hyphenated or not. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:23, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, ISBNs are not hyphenated.  Maxim (talk)  15:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyscape check - No issues were revealed by Copyscape searches. Graham Colm (talk) 22:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Comments – Quite a few things for an article of relatively short length, It's a little concerning...
 * "In addition to serving as the team's goaltender, he was served as captain...". Don't think the "was" is proper here.
 * Ottawa: I see "Challenge match" and "Challenge match" here, revealing some inconsistencies in the capitalization that should be resolved.
 * "Having appeared in all of Ottawa's games in both season". "season" → "seasons"?
 * "LeSueur led the league in the wins in the seasons the team won the Stanley Cup". Second "the" doesn't seem that helpful.
 * Toronto: "as fellow future Hall-of-Fame Clint Benedict had taken the goaltender's job in Ottawa." The "Hall-of-Fame" needs an r at the end, and I'm not sure about the hyphens.
 * "In Stanley Cup play, LeSueur has a 7–2". Feels like it's missing something at the end. Perhaps "LeSueur had a 7–2 record" was the intention.
 * "In both of his seasons, he had a losing record." Does the "both" refer to two seasons in Toronto, or did he play two seasons for the Blueshirts? The text is unclear on that.
 * "the" would be nice in "After conclusion of the season".
 * Post-war: "His first job with after retiring from play was as an NHL referee." The "with" is hurting the flow of this sentence.
 * Personal life: "and teammate Cyclone Taylor on the 1909 Stanley Cup-winning Senators team". Not a big deal, but I think a more logical order would be "and Cyclone Taylor, a teammate on the 1909 Stanley Cup-winning Senators team".
 * "of" missing from "and one his children".  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 03:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed all of the issues you listed, and then found and fixed a few more. I'm prone to skip over words when writing (or forget to remove a word), so I know what to look for. I fixed a bunch before FAC but obviously I had missed some of these glitches. The Toronto section was a trainwreck by itself; I don't know what happened there. :( Finally, for your point about "In both of his seasons, he had a losing record", I'm trying to say that he played one season for the Shamrocks, and one season for the Blueshirts; in each of the seasons in Toronto, he had a losing record. I've put "During his two seasons in Toronto, he had a losing record each year.", but it still sounds off to me... do you have any better ideas? I've tried a bunch of other ways but that was the best and I'm still not completely happy with it.  Maxim (talk)  15:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Oppose: Although a good piece of work and fairly comprehensive, I don't think this is quite there yet. I have just looked at the lead and first section and found several issues, mainly with the prose which is not FA quality yet. A quick glance through the rest of the article reveals many similar problems and these should be sorted out. I notice that this article has not gone through PR or even GAN; while this is not a requirement of a FA, it is usually helpful to have the eyes of as many editors as possible before FA, so that it is not only the primary editor who has checked it and these kinds of problems can be ironed out. I am opposing for the moment and these are examples only from the lead and first section; the rest of the article should be checked thoroughly, preferably by another pair of eyes. --Sarastro1 (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "He was noticed by the Ottawa Hockey Club in a Stanley Cup challenge match, in which he had played for the challenger, the Smiths Falls Seniors." Noticed is ambigious and the sentence is a little clunky; maybe "His performances for the Smiths Falls Seniors in a Stanley Cup challenge match attracted the attention of his opponents, the Ottowa Hockey Club."
 * "While his team lost the series, LeSueur was credited with keeping the games close, and nine days after his team's defeat, he was playing for Ottawa in a challenge match against the Montreal Wanderers." Clunky again and close repetition of "team": "Although his team lost the series, LeSueuer excelled in goal, keeping the games close. Nine days after the defeat, he had moved to Ottawa."
 * "He remained with Ottawa through the 1913–14 season. In addition to being the goaltender, he also captained the team for his three final seasons, and served as player-coach for his last season with Ottawa." Choppy, close repetition.
 * Second paragraph of the lead is very choppy with a succession of apparently unrelated facts.
 * Throughout the lead, the sentence structure is repetitive with too many sentences beginning with a noun, pronoun or simple prepositional phrase: "He…While…He…In addition…LeSueur…After…After…He…As…During…He…LeSueur." This should be looked at.
 * "he played amateur hockey with the hometown Victorias, Crescent Intermediates, and the Seniors." Who or what are these teams. What does "the hometown" mean? Is it the name of the team, or does it signify that Victoria were his hometown team? Intermediates and Seniors implies progression through a team, but this is not explained or clarified. Can any of this be linked? Seniors is redlinked in the following sentence, so why are the others not linked?
 * Given that he apparently moved from the wing to play in goal, why not mention that he played wing for his first teams?
 * "…he moved to Smiths Falls, Ontario, to play for the Seniors. In Smiths Falls…" Close repetition of Smiths Falls.
 * How did LeSueur perform for these teams?
 * "In March 1906, the Seniors issued a challenge for the Stanley Cup to the Ottawa Silver Seven." Context? Were the Seniors such a good team as to compete for the Stanley Cup? What kind of level did they play? Why was the challenge issued and why to that team?
 * "In the two-game, total goals series played…" Could this be explained for the non-specialist? Also, it is uncomfortable prose.
 * "Despite surrendering 14 goals during the match, LeSueur's work in net was noticed." Surrendering seems the wrong choice of word for an encyclopedia, and "noticed" is ambiguous unless it is changed to "good work". Noticed by who? Critics? Opponents? Journalists?
 * "he had held the first game close": Sporting shorthand is not really the best style. What about "His performance had kept his team in contention in the first game"?
 * I also notice that there is very little about his early life or upbringing; this should be expanded if possible but I appreciate the material may not exist. --Sarastro1 (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Archiving at nominator request. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:47, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


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