Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pierre Monteux/archive1


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The article was promoted by Ian Rose 23:13, 27 October 2012.

Pierre Monteux

 * Nominator(s): Tim riley (talk); Cg2p0B0u8m (talk); Brianboulton (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

This article was largely developed by Tim riley and Cg2p0B0u8m, and was Tim's current project when, last summer, he decided to leave Wikipedia. At the time I was peer-reviewing the article. After some recent email discussion Tim agreed that, subject to final polishing, I should bring the article to FAC—as was his original intention. Should the article achieve promotion the main honours will of course belong to him and his original co-editor. Monteux was an orchestral conductor of extraordinary longevity and influence, who presided over some of the 20th century's major musical landmarks including the premiere of The Rite of Spring in 1913. I think the article is ready, now, but any suggestions as to further improvement will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Addressed comments by Crisco 1492 moved to talk
 * Support on prose and images. Looks pretty good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Drive by I've a busy weekend coming up in RL, so I won't even read this for a few days. However, there are 22 duplicated links in the main text, excluding the lead.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  14:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * See my comment above. I think these are fixed, now, though maybe a few have escaped detection. Brianboulton (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine, the tool found two, but in each case, one was part of a reference, so all done  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Support from Maralia - This is really outstanding work. I made some small copyediting tweaks, with explanatory edit summaries. Please address these few remaining issues:
 * In the Early Years section, two consecutive sentences begin with "among".
 * Yes, fixed. Brianboulton (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * In the First conducting posts section, I think it well worth mentioning that he was only 19 or 20 years old at the time he conducted for Saint-Saëns.
 * I've added a bit. Brianboulton (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * "...Olin Downes wrote that the new orchestra was "of very high rank" and that the broadcast concert had displayed Monteux at the height of his powers."" - this is missing a beginning quote mark for the second quote; not sure where it belongs.
 * Fixed Brianboulton (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

So pleased to see another excellent article on a conductor. Well done! Maralia (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review & support. Brianboulton (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Support. I also made some small copy edits, but Brianboulton should feel free to revert any with which he disagrees. This entry bears the unmistakable stamp of Tim riley's high-quality research and writing, and his co-editor and Brianboulton have done a superb job of polishing the article. It could probably use another image nearer the bottom of the article, if Brian has any more. Congratulations on another fine entry! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Your edits look fine. Thanks for the support. Brianboulton (talk) 17:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Support. I conducted a few minor edits around reference formatting, but other than that no issues at all. A final reminder of the brilliance of Tim riley. Congratulations also to Cg2p0B0u8m, for helping to produce such a fine piece of work (more please) and to Brian for his last minute buffing up and preparations. --  Cassianto Talk   19:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not a final reminder - ther's always hope of a return, one day. Thank you for your review and support. Brianboulton (talk) 17:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I've made a few alterations here and there (feel free to complain), but have only got as far as the end of the Met and Boston section. Some points to ponder:
 * A few comments for now (article looks very comprehensive):
 * Early years: I don't think that "his formative years" makes a lot of sense. When exactly were they?  And who was "one of the Casadesus family"?
 * "Formative years" is a widely used expression referring, broadly, to adolescence – the "growth and development" phase. This seems clear enough; do we really need a year range. I will have to take advice on which of the numerous Casadesuses is being referred to. Brianboulton (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: I have clarified this, now. Brianboulton (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Ballets Russes: "A planned visit to St Petersburg had to be cancelled because the theatre burned down" - which of the St P theatres (there were several) was that?
 * I will have to investigate (I don't have the relevant source) Brianboulton (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was the Narodny Dom Theatre. Added and cited. Brianboulton (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Rite of Spring: "symphonic and concertante works". What does "concertante" mean in this connexion? I see that WP redirects this word to "sinfonia concertante" - hm!  Eric Blom says "an adjective used to designate instrumental or more rarely vocal parts in a composition which are designed largely for the display of virtuosity", which doesn't help either, IMO.  More clarity required, IMNSHO.
 * I have linked concertante. The WP article, while not brilliant, gives a reasonable explanation in the lead, not dissimilar to that in the ODM. Is that clarification enough? Defining the term  within the text would create somewhat awkward prose. Brianboulton (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * More tomorrow, probably. --GuillaumeTell 21:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, it's now tomorrow. I've made a few more amendments. I was surprised that there is no link to Louis Fourestier, who has several red links and about 12 WP mentions in total, plus articles in French and German Wikis.  I could knock up a stub from RS (Blom and Grove) without too much trouble.
 * Redlinked. A stub might be useful. There's a short biography in Grove online. Brianboulton (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for these comments. I will chase up the missing answers. Brianboulton (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Support We are getting to have early 20th century British music be a well-covered subject. Well done to all. I participated in the peer review and my concerns were satisfied.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I doubt that Monteux would be pleased to be lumped in with "early 20th century British music", but never mind. Thanks for your support. Brianboulton (talk) 17:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


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