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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2017.

Pigeon guillemot

 * Nominator(s): RileyBugz and Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm please to co-nom this with RileyBugz. A delightful little seabird from the north Pacific. It's had a picking over at GAN and covers all the relevant material. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Jim
I remember these from Vancouver. Two experienced editors, so just nit-picks and suggestions really Jimfbleak - talk to me?  09:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps add a template specifying the variety of English to deter Americanisation of spelling
 * It probably should be in American English, but my own English is something of a mix. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  10:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * There are five subspecies of the pigeon guillemot. Its breeding plumage…—bit clunky, perhaps ''There are five subspecies of the pigeon guillemot. All have a breeding plumage…
 * I actually merged the two sentences, as it would have appeared odd if I had done your wording. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  15:49, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps link Invertebrates, monogamous, genetic, morphological, sister clade and moult
 * Done. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  23:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * derived from the motto of the state of California, which itself is derived from the Greek heurēka—better perhaps the same as the motto of the state of California, and derived from the Greek heurēka
 * I actually just removed the "derived" and "itself", as I think that is much better and concise. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  15:51, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The bill is long and black with a red mouth—the bill has a red mouth? Reads oddly
 * Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  10:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * taking off in calm conditions without a runway—from water?
 * Source doesn't specify. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  23:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * They have difficulty taking off in calm conditions… they are faster than the black guillemot… In the water it is a strong swimmer…—plural-singular change
 * Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  10:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Para beginning Usually arriving at its breeding range… overworks "usually"
 * Removed some instances of "usually". RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  15:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The spelling of eg "colour" and "grey" appears to be consistent, so I'll leave it with you whether you want to change the version of English, otherwise happy to support Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:21, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Cheers Jim. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  07:12, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments Support from Cas Liber

 * All future verbs - "x will x" - can be made present tense (i.e. remove all the "will"s)
 * Done. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  13:58, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


 * How can it be a superspecies with the black guillemot if the spectacled guillemot is its sister taxon?
 * A superspecies is a classification based on physical description, whereas the term sister taxon is a phylogenetic description. RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録  13:54, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Worth putting that as a footnote. Even got me...but not a deal-breaker..Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Just did that. RileyBugz 会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  00:30, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Link monogamous, incubation.
 * Done. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  05:10, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Looks good otherwise. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Image review
 * File:Cepphus_columba5.jpg: source links are dead. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:17, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find the image on the USFWS site, so while I assume it's fine I have taken it down for now. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  20:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Wehwalt
Interesting read. A few comments.
 * "which Pallas noted was the derived from the common name of Greenland dove for the related black guillemot." I'm not sure this makes sense.
 * I have rewritten, hopefully clearer. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "the Greek heurēka" I would pipe to eureka (word)
 * Done. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "They typically sleep in loose groups in sheltered water" I might say "waters".
 * Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "The pigeon guillemot is a very vocal bird, particularly during the breeding season,[6] and makes a number of calls, some of which are paired with displays, to communicate with others of their kind." "their" likely should be "its".
 * Done. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "One such display call pairing is the conspicuous hunch-whistle, where the tail is slightly raised, the wings held slightly out and the head thrown back 45-90° while whistling before snapping back to horizontal." not the clearest sentence. Possibly a comma after "whistling" might help.
 * Done. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * " It forages at depths from 6 to 45 m (20 to 148 ft), but it prefers to forage at depths between 15 and 20 m (50 and 70 ft)." I might cut "to forage at" as unneeded.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * " feeding on shoals of sandlance at the water surface." possibly "water's surface".
 * Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "Smaller prey items are probably consumed underwater, but larger prey items are brought to the surface to eat after capture." I would avoid the repetition of "prey items". Better yet, I would cut "items " both times and change the second "prey" to "organisms" or some such.
 * Fixed. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * " The diet varies greatly, based on where the individual bird is, the season, for example invertebrates are more commonly taken in winter, and also from year to year, as ocean conditions change prey availability" I'm not sure this completely works, you seem to have abandoned a list midway leaving "the season" as something of an orphan.
 * I have moved the example out to allow the list to finish, as you note it does kind of break stuff up (was originally in parentheses) Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * " Specialization in a pigeon guillemot when foraging for its chicks generally results in greater reproductive success, with a high-lipid diet allowing for more growth." It's not clear what is meant by "specialization" in this context.
 * It looks like something was lost at some point, clarified. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "Colonies are attended during the day and, except for birds incubating or brooding, adults do not remain in the colony at night. Birds usually arrive in the colony in the morning with counts decreasing as the day goes on." I don't know much about such things but it seems to me logical that it should be "increasing" as stragglers come in.
 * Reworded to prevent confusion. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "with eggs getting longer when laid later in the breeding season progresses" some difficulty here I think.
 * Fixed. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "and adults near oiled shores display symptoms of hepatocellular injury, a liver injury where elevated levels of aspartate aminotransferase can be found" I would avoid the second use of "injury".
 * Reworded. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Support all looks good.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:46, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Source review from Ealdgyth

 * I randomly googled three sentences and nothing showed up except mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no copyright violations.
 * Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:46, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Comments Support from Adityavagarwal

 * Link fledging.
 * I linked fledge. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:58, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * There are a few duplicate links here and there.
 * Removed two (the rest are either a. not duplicate links or b. duplicate links because they are linked in the cladogram). RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:58, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Everything else looks amazing. Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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