Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Polish culture during World War II/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 23:51, 26 April 2009.

Polish culture during World War II

 * Nominator(s): Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

With the upcoming anniversary of WWII, here's what I hope is a comprehensive overview of an important but often overlook part of the home front of WWII: Poland. The article has just been promoted to MILHIST A-class (WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Polish culture during World War II). It was an unsuccesfull FA-class candidate a year ago (WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Polish culture during World War II/Archive 1).

Since this is a renomination, I have prepared "a reply to common criticisms about comprehensiveness I've encountered in the past". I would strongly suggest you read the article before you read that reply, and read it only if you think that the article is not comprehensive or biased (as those were the points I am addressing). Those replies are available here. Again, you don't have to read them (they are a bit on the long side anyway) unless you want to vote oppose on the grounds of comprehensively or bias; accordingly, please read them before you do so. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * Current ref 3 ([Niall Ferguson, The War of the World, The Penguin Press, New York 2006, page 423]) seems to have some brackets around it and shouldn't the title be in italics? Needs page numbers too. This pops up elsewhere in the refs
 * Fixed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sources that are in languages other than English need to have that language noted in the reference
 * Including books? I thought that and such were only for online sources... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We usually do so for FAs. I won't oppose on this, obviously (it's way too nitpicky) but it's been the case that we do this. (Easy for me to say, since my only languages are very rusty classical and medieval Latin...) Ealdgyth - Talk 22:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added them to the reference section and to inline refs where needed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Current ref 5 (Madajczyk..) has two numbered links in the ref. Need them titled.
 * Done (one titled and the link to amazon removed). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Current refs 73 (Ryszard Czekajowski) and 75 (Christine S Parker) lack last access dates
 * Fixed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Current ref 193 (Shirli Gilbert) needs page numbers
 * Fixed.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Current ref 110 (Anna Cholewa-Selo) is the 03/03/2005 a last accessdate or a publication date?
 * Publication date. Last accessdate added. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Can we standardize the references on either last name first or first name first and get them alphabetized?
 * I'd dearly love for somebody to do it :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL... well, it won't be me. I'm behind on FAC from being at the library all day.. research is such fun! Ealdgyth - Talk 22:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done so for the references section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Tech. Review
 * Disambiguation and external links check out fine with the dab finder and links checker tools, as does the ref formatting with WP:REFTOOLS.-- T ru  c o   15:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:MOS are spaced. Lots of image juggling is needed.  Faces should be facing the text, not off the page; images should be in sections, not above them, images should be alternated right and left where possible, and no left-aligned images under third-level headings.  See WP:ACCESS and WP:MOS.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am afraid I don't know what do you mean by "ellipses are spaced"? Images were juggled by several editors during preparation for A-class article and now, and I am afraid I personally don't see much difference (images were for example more alternated right and left, then somebody aligned them to the right as a condition for milhist A-class...). I have no problems with others moving the images, but I have personally given up on this, as whatever I do seems to be reverted sooner or later - and everyone and his dog cites MoS or some other image policy to justify their changes :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ellipses should have a space on each side. I made that change, presuming the ellipses don't appear in the original text and are your own to indicate elided material.
 * Can't help you on the images. They don't need to be alternated right and left where possible, as I understand it: it is up to editors to decide whether to right-align or to alternate. I guess if you decide that images of right-facing people need to be left-aligned, then you have to alternate? Or something... 86.44.25.125 (talk) 15:52, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Not ready. This shouldn't have been rushed here immediately after passing A-class review. A thorough proof-read would have caught a lot of the problems I ran into just in the initial paras. I'm not going to read further, because, with all due respect to your hard work, this doesn't appear to have been adequately prepared for FAC. Please get someone to comb through it looking for prose issues and outright errors.
 * "Special Polish Underground State departments worked to salvage whatever cultural institutions and artifacts could be saved." "to salvage ... could be saved" seems redundant. Maybe, "to salvage whatever cultural institutions and artifacts they could" or "to salvage as many cultural institutions and artifacts as possible"
 * Fixed. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "in the face of draconian punitive measures" Were they only punitive? From reading so far, many of them sound preventative.
 * Hmm. Interesting point, but debatable. What were the Nazi measures intended to prevent? Many were certainly aimed at punishing individuals who tried to promote the cause of Polish culture. Perhaps the measures were both preventative and punitative... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "After World War II, this wartime period" Do we really need to specify "wartime"?
 * Sentence removed. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "many German officials and military officers had no clear guidelines how to treat" Word missing after guidelines?
 * Seems okay. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What word? "On", perhaps? If so, please WP:SOFIXIT. As a non-native English speaker, I am hesitant to be bold here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "annexed to the German state" Annexed by, I think.
 * Annexed to is pretty often-used on Wikipedia. But, of course, you're right&mdash;fixed. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "as little possibilities as possible" Ew.
 * Fixed. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * "periodically shown movies showing"
 * Done. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You have "theaters" and "theatres" in the same para.
 * Fixed. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly, "Polish-language newspaper"
 * Huh? There were books published during the Nazi occupation if that's what you mean. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I mean "Polish-language" should be hyphenated when used as an adjective. -- Laser brain  (talk)  01:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean "Polish-language-newspaper"? That seems strange, on the other hand the current construction is used in many sources: --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * -- Laser brain  (talk)  20:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * As I've stated many times, I am not a native speaker (of English). Several editors have carried out copy-editing of the article. If there are any prose issues, there is nothing I can do about it; but there shouldn't be many. If you find any, I'd appreciate if you could follow WP:SOFIXIT and address them; your review above indicates that there are only a few of those (and they've already been fixed - thanks). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My comments were meant to be representative. I wouldn't make a list of little problems—I would just fix them. What I meant is that I found enough small problems to make me think the article hasn't been properly proofread. -- Laser brain  (talk)  01:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you won't list additional issues and help us improve the article, I am afraid that this is not very helpful. We can't fix what we don't know about. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment It seems that second book from the bottom of Refrences, Polskie Państwo Podziemne, has a non-working ISBN. ISBN's aren't my strong point, so please excuse my potential ignorance. Mm40 (talk) 11:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A good remark. Fixed. Tomasz W. Kozłowski (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Constructive-Remark - highly biased, and would object if only tedious specifying of all it's flaws was not imminent WhatisFeelings? (talk) 21:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, what? -- Laser brain  (talk)  20:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Constructive criticism this isn't :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.