Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pretty on the Inside/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 19:19, 4 August 2011.

Pretty on the Inside

 * Nominator(s): Scottdoesntknow (talk) 21:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe that it is well-written, provides adequate information on the subject, has a neutral POV, and is comprehensive and informative enough to be considered FA status. It is well-sourced with reliable web citations as well as magazine and other sources. I am very well-informed on the topic and the music featured on the album, and I think the article lives up to FA status as far as music history and significance go. Scottdoesntknow (talk) 21:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a malformed nomination page that was never transcluded to WP:FAC. I'll begin fixing the mess now.  Please read and follow FAC instructions in the future. Transcluded 3 August 2011.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - unfortunately I don't feel this article currently meets the FA criteria. Here are some specific concerns:
 * Uncited statements, for example "She also cited her work as a dancer as being one of many inspirations for the songs on Pretty on the Inside: "I was blonde, wore makeup, had to support my band by dancing, and had to play this ridiculous archetype at work... so I took, you know, high heels and white pumps, and I had a wiglet— I just took that and messed with it.""
 * Wikilinking issues, mostly overlinking
 * Incomplete and inconsistent citations, a few non-high-quality sources
 * Some unclear, awkward or ungrammatical prose, for example "she picked Erlandson because he had a "Thurston Moore quality about him", and that he played guitar"
 * File:Pretty_on_the_Inside_clip.ogg: based on the length given for the original track, a proper sample should be no longer than 8 seconds. Also, needs a more complete FUR. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Oppose: I have to agree with Nikki that the article is not ready for FAC. Apart from the points that she raises, there are the following relating to sources, just from the first 20 or so I looked at:-
 * Refs 2, 3 and others use "pp." for single page numbers
 * Source medium is not clear in refs 5 and 15
 * Ref 7 lacks a publisher
 * No source details given for ref 14, also "pg." instead of "p."
 * Ref 17 lacks a page reference
 * Ref 19: non-standard format - title should be before publisher. Also page number missing
 * Ref 21: retrieval date missing

I haven't looked at the remaining 40 or so refs, but there are sure to be other issues. On a different point entirely, I think there is a misunderstanding about the function of the lead section. This is supposed to be a broad summary of the main article; at present it contains too much detail and too many quotations that would be better placed in te main article. I note that the article has not received a peer review, and strongly recommend that it be reviewed  at WP:PR before being brought back here. Brianboulton (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


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