Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Riven


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:06, 4 June 2008.

Riven
Think it fulfills the criteria, natch. I've printed out the article and done a copyedit of the text, so I think I've fixed all the issues that I'll be able to find. Covers the gameplay, plot, development, and reception, so it's comprehensive; the major aspects are touched on in the lead; and it's got images with appropriate fair use rationales. Oh, and lots of print sources and such, but I don't see any questionable WP:RS issues, I could be wrong. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 20:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 01:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This comment is practically on every FAC I review: redundancy. "though some publications such as Edge felt that the nature of point-and-click gameplay limited the title heavily." - just one example, there's more.
 * You could make the caption to the single picture in the article more concise; it seems unnecessarily verbose.
 * "The game's sound and graphics were consistently praised" - I think it would sound a bit better with the context if an also was slapped in there - "The game's sound and graphics were also consistently praised"
 * "Gehn's theme is only heard in its complete form near the end of the game, portions of the melody can be heard throughout Riven— this served to highlight the way Gehn controlled his Age." - there should be a but after the comma, shouldn't there?
 * If you're sourcing the "story" section, some of it is lacking a source.
 * Perhaps also worth mentioning that Ghen's Theme is only heard at the end during a specific(?) bad ending? (?) Rehevkor (talk) 03:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll hold off on commenting again until it gets the copyedit suggested below. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 22:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdraw it—Well, this is one that needed more work before nomination. It should be withdrawn and resubmitted after fruitful collaboration. Here are random issues from one small sample of text.
 * "Also"—weed out all of the idle instances, please.
 * "a trap book—book that appears to be a linking book, but is actually a one man prison"—euuw, reps and missing hyphen and article; in a clunky sentence.
 * "Atrus. Atrus"
 * Odd use of the passive voice: "the book ends up being found by the Stranger". TONY   (talk)  03:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed the instances of 'also' and 'some', as Nousernamesleft pointed out above. Fixed the awkward sentence and combined sentences and reworded them so that one paragraph doesn't start out with "Atrus" every time. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Riven is a game I could never complete, Myst was much easier even though it was hard. — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 09:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Get it copyedited by an editor new to the text: see Peer review/volunteers and WikiProject League of Copyeditors/Members for lists of copyeditors.
 * Sources look good, links checked out fine.
 * I have contacted two outside users, Seegoon and AndonicO in regards to copyediting (AndonicO has already started helping.) -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 22:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Prose is now much better. — Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 10:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Current ref 20 "Gann, Patrick "Riven The Soundtrack" ... can we source this to something besides RPG fan? I'm not sure about the reliablity of that site, and since it's just the release date and length, surely Amazon has it?
 * Otherwise sources look good. Links checked out okay with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've swapped the RPGFan ref with the Amazon product page, as requested. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 11:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - splendid work by AndonicO - I can't fault the prose. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 22:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: I was under the impression that the "stranger" was designed so the player could completely immerse themselves as though they really were the character—no backstory, entirely first-person view, etc. Therefore, referring to the player's character as being male doesn't fit in, to my knowledge the "stranger" has not had a gender defined within Myst canon. I'd advise altering the wording of the story section to make it gender neutral, as there's no evidence I know of that suggests the player's character is conclusively male. -- Sabre (talk) 22:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. It's a bit awkward, unfortunately, but you're right, the Stranger is never given a gender or identifier. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 00:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support The prose and been significantly improved by several copy-editors and there is no issue left. This is FA-quality. Kariteh (talk) 08:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * "between $5 and $10 million" &rarr; "between USD$5 and $10 million"
 * "causing a delay in the publishing of Riven.[citation needed] Even though " — Citation needed?
 * "coverage.[17][9]" — Ascending order

Gary King ( talk ) 20:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've fixed these issues. For the $ sign, I assume you meant US$ rather than USD$. Kariteh (talk) 20:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, US$ is correct. Gary King ( talk ) 20:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Good work David. · AndonicO  Engage. 01:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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