Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Roberto Luongo/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 16:07, 16 March 2010.

Roberto Luongo

 * Nominator(s): Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I've worked on this article extensively for the past few months. There is a wealth of content at 24 pages (which I hope isn't actually 'too' long) and it is all fully referenced and in proper MoS to WP:Biography and WP:Hockey, as far as I know. I would greatly appreciate any feedback/reviews. Thanks. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments. No dab links, no dead external links; alt text present and good. Ucucha 21:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments. Got rid of some double spaces in an effort to slightly decrease the 89kb article. - Warthog Demon  03:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments.
 * Alt text is mostly present (thanks), but it's missing for File:Roberto Luongo maskless.jpg, the most important image. Please add some, taking WP:ALT into account.
 * The alt text was there yesterday, but someone took it out. I've added it back. Ucucha 12:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Very strange: the same editor, after you added it back. I reverted (again) and left a note on the editor's talk page. Eubulides (talk) 20:55, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of that. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Eubulides (talk) 08:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * (not a Featured Article criterion, but a problem anyway) This page takes too long to edit. It took about 20 seconds for the page to be generated on the server, when I tried it once. This unnecessary sluggishness inhibits editing and makes the page hard to maintain. The slowness is due mostly to the page's widespread use of the cite web family of templates. Please switch to formatting citations by hand, or to using the vcite web family (which is much faster, albeit with a slightly different format), or to a page with far fewer citations, or by some other means. If there's consensus to switch to vcite web etc. I'll volunteer to do that (disclaimer: I'm biased as I wrote vcite web).
 * Sound like a good idea. I'm just worried that most people might not be familiar with vcite web for future editing which would compromise uniformity in reference formatting.  I don't completely object to it though.  If you think it would make a very significant difference, I probably wouldn't mind.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: I don't think that "He was also the greatest goalie, always PWNING everyone." is a sentence that belongs in an FA candidate. -- Big  Dom  18:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but then again even featured articles are prone to vandalism.. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 00:29, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * Please spell out abbreviations in the notes. Yes, they are linked, but you don't want your readers to leave your article, they might never return
 * Newspapers titles in the references should be in italics. If you're using cite news, use the work field for the title of the paper, and the publisher field for the name of the actual company that publishes the paper
 * NHL.com or National Hockey League? You have both in the refs, pick one and be consistent.
 * Current ref 13 (Les honneurs .. ) says the publisher is CHL, but the site itself says Quebec Major Junior Hockey League?
 * Current ref 55 (All Time records) publisher isnt' the Cannucks, it's the NHL. (That's who is hosting the site) Same for current ref 63 (Captain Louie)
 * TSN or The Sports Network? PIck one and stick with it (I think The Sports Network, because it's not a really well known abbreviation like BBC or ESPN)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've addressed the above concerns to the best of my ability. Please let me know if there's anything further I should do.  Thanks! Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment – Saw this in the lead: "He was instrumental in helping the Canadian Men's hockey team win the gold at the 2010 Winter Olympics, as he made a vital save moments before Sidney Crosby scored the winning goal in overtime." There is currently nothing to this effect in the body, where such details should be, and nothing regarding the game in the lead or body appears sourced. Not too surprising that the info is in a rough state so soon after the game, but it should still be looked after.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 02:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This article's gone through a mass of editing since the gold medal win.  I'm going to go through it all today and edit appropriately.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose on criterion 3 (images). Haven't read the article yet, but:
 * File:Roberto Luongo 2007.jpg is impossible to verify because the hyperlinks given lead to a different image.
 * File:Roberto Luongo 2008.jpg is a copyrighted image from Flickr. No evidence on Commons that it was ever verified at the time of upload.
 * File:Roberto Luongo Canada 2010a.jpg is again a copyrighted image on Flickr. It was reviewed by "ZooFari" on Commons but he may have made a mistake. The image was just recently uploaded, and it seems unlikely that the photographer changed the license type in that short of a time. All of his other images are copyrighted.
 * Licenses on all other images check out, however see the next two items.
 * Images such as File:Roberto Luongo 03-2009.jpg, File:RobertoLuongo18-12009.jpg, and File:Roberto Luongo 2009.jpg are of such poor quality that they shouldn't be used unless nothing better is available—which it is.
 * In general, there are too many gratuitous images that don't do anything for the article. Just because free images are available doesn't mean we want to add them. For example, we probably only need one image of Luongo just standing in the crease. This particular item will probably be solved by removing the license problems and poor quality images.
 * -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  18:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the problematic images from the article. When I had originally uploaded File:Roberto Luongo Canada 2010a.jpg, the author had changed the licensing appropriately, but I guess he has since changed it back.  At any rate, I hope I properly addressed the above issue.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 07:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, images look good now. -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  17:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Support—well-written.
 * Why is "Canadian" linked? Please see WP:OVERLINK.
 * Linked "1947–48"—can you pipe it explicitly, first time one of these occurs, to something like "the 1947–48 season"? Otherwise, it's unclear. Same with the "2003", the first mention of the Men's World IHC ... could it be piped fully first time? We need to flag to readers that subsequent Easter-egg links go somewhere useful, not just to a year article.
 * "Butterfly style": good link, but perhaps "... goalkeeping, involving the defensive dropping to the knees", or something like that? It's more engaging for those who know little about ice hockey. Or maybe that is explained below; unsure.
 * This is a Canada-related article; metric units should be the main units.
 * Is the fact that his mother was Irish-Canadian worth a link? It's on the boundary, really. But then the three languages linked, too? Naaah. Then we have Italy (and Germany, twice) linked below. These are commonly known entities and the articles are far too general to be useful to the readers. There are many valuable links already, which we don't want to dilute. Tony   (talk)  00:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment on above point: Although it is a Canada-related article, feet and inches are used on all NHL player articles, since 24 of 30 teams are based in the US, and that's how it's officially recorded. Also, feet and inches are (unfortunately) still the common system used in Canada. Schmloof (talk) 01:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Tony for the support. I've addressed the above issues, but could not find where Italy and Germany were overlinked.  In regards to using metric units, I would have to agree with Schmloof, however; it would look really strange on an NHL article.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 02:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Support – After going through the entire article, I agree with Tony that it's well-written. Found a few little prose issues other than the ones above, but I fixed them myself to expedite the proceedings (please check them if you get a chance). References look good, and it seems comprehensive.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Really appreciate it. The edits you made look good.  Thanks.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 02:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Support. Looks impeccable. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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