Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/SMS Kaiser (1911)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by GrahamColm 12:47, 3 September 2012.

SMS Kaiser (1911)

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 19:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Another German battleship from World War I — I wrote this article back in 2010, and it passed a GAN and a Milhist ACR in August and September of that year, respectively. It's been waiting in the queue for a while now, but not too much dust should have gathered on it in that time. The article is part of this 62-article Good Topic, which is creeping toward the 50% FA threshold. I look forward to working with reviewers to ensure this article meets the FA criteria and our expectations for Wikipedia's best work. Thanks in advance to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 19:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Image review File:Bundesarchiv DVM 10 Bild-23-61-83, Linienschiff "SMS Kaiser".jpg should have an image description in English, as well as in German (unless the cooperation project requires something about the caption). File:Kaiser class diagram.jpg is fine. File:SMS Kaiser.png lacks an information infobox and a "Do not move to commons" template. File:SMS Kaiser turrets aft2.jpg is fine; it may be better without the watermark, but I'm not sure if that's technically possible (in any case, the copyright tag is fine and he watermark is hardly visible in the article, so it isn't really a problem). File:Jutland1916.jpg should have a better description, move the year to the "date" field, and edit the source so that is does not appear as a raw link. File:Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1970-074-34, Besetzung der Insel Ösel, Truppenanlandung.jpg is fine. I don't think the 1923 template is really needed in File:Internment at Scapa Flow.svg, as it is a completely different map: just being a map of the same place and having small notes on locations is not enough to say that one is a derivative work of the other. The second licence, the one by the creator of the new map, should be enough. I will check the article itself later. Cambalachero (talk) 22:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * English caption added to the first Bundesarchiv photo
 * Added a Do not move to Commons to SMS Kaiser.png.
 * For Jutland1916.jpg, I have improved the caption, but the date field in the template refers to the date of creation for the image, not the date of the events depicted. As far as I can tell, the date for the map is not given.
 * For File:Internment at Scapa Flow.svg, the map was created by Jappalang, who know his stuff about licensing, so I trust his judgement about what tags should be used.
 * Thanks for reviewing the images, especially so quickly after I posted the nomination. Parsecboy (talk) 11:36, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Comment As I'm not a native speaker of English, I can't review the grammar or the prose. Having noted that, I noticed only one potential concern: there's a "Unfortunately" in the first paragraph of the Battle of Jutland section, this is a common word to avoid, as it is subjetive (what is "unfortunate" for a belligerent, is usually "fortunate" for the other). The article does not follow the "one footnote per sentence" rule, but I don't think there's a problem with that, I did not see any controversial, dubious or disputed information around, so the "one footnote per paragraph" should be enough. If the image details and the word "Unfortunately" are fixed, I think it should be enough to support the article. Cambalachero (talk) 03:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see the delayed repairs to Seydlitz as being particularly beneficial to one side or the other, but I have nevertheless changed it. Thanks again for reviewing the article. Parsecboy (talk) 11:36, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Support (with the exception of grammar and prose, which I can't review as explained). After the changes, I have no further requests. By the way, the "date" field of files should be always filled, if the date is unknown or not mentioned, then say so; I have fixed that myself. As for the "Do not move to Commons", I forgot to mention the template PD-US-1923-abroad, which is a single template for this type of works (published outside the US before 1923, but not PD in the source country yet); I have fixed that as well. Cambalachero (talk) 14:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. I covered everything but two subsections, on Jutland and Albion, when this was at A-class two years ago, and I've looked at the that have been made to everything but those two subsections, and those are fine. I've just copyedited the Jutland and Albion subsections this morning. These are my edits. (Edits may take days to show up on that page.) – Dank (push to talk) 14:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * (That is a rather busy diff, but it's much clearer if stepped through one edit at a time. No worries; all is goodness . Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC))
 * I haven't heard a lot of feedback on that method of showing my edits, so any feedback is welcome. Are you saying you like it or don't like it? - Dank (push to talk) 20:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The tool? It's very useful. I use it all the time. Anyone looking to check will be able to easily. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 23:02, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Support. I went over this article in June in detail and have no worries that it has any issues. Suggest an expedited review so that the nom can get on with bringing forward the backlog for the Featured Topic. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: "expedited reviews", I think I'm going to bite the bullet and suggest at WT:MHC that we try to think of ways to get articles through all the review processes faster; reviews are sporadic, and we're losing editors, or at least losing their attention. - Dank (push to talk) 20:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support that. It shouldn't be a rubber stamp, but for cases like this, Parsecboy should be able to bring a whole class up for review at once; the ship class article and the members. Since they are so closely related, it will save everyone a lot of bother. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 23:02, 27 August 2012‎ (UTC)

Comments based on HRS volume 5 Support MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * page 17: Adolf von Trotha was her captain from Sept 1913 until January 1916 and Hermann Bauer from August 1918 to November 1918. Both captains have articles here and may be worth mentioning. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * page 18: the launch was explicitly dated on 22 March because it was the birthday of Kaiser Wilhelm I. Kaiser Wilhelm II was also present MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Both added, thanks for the details, MisterBee. Parsecboy (talk) 22:37, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Support - a well-written article. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:33, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


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