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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2015.

SMS Kaiser Barbarossa

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 12:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Another article in my series on German warships, this one passed an A-class review about a year ago, and has been waiting in line for FAC since. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 12:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. I've looked at the changes made since I reviewed this for A-class. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 03:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Image review
 * File:SMS_Kaiser_Barbarossa_Bain_picture.jpg: if this is a news service image, why is it a government image?
 * No idea - fixed to the standard Bain copyright tag.
 * File:SMS_Kaiser_Barbarossa.png is tagged as lacking author info. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:33, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed - thanks Nikki. Parsecboy (talk) 09:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Support. This article is well-done, and I could find nothing worth bringing up for correction. Good luck! --Coemgenus (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

 Comments Support by Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:16, 13 November 2015 (UTC) Just a few quibbles: Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:16, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * all toolbox checks are ok except alt text (not an ACR requirement), there is no overlinking, and the article is dash compliant
 * the ihp/kW measures in the body and infobox are slightly different
 * Rounding error - good catch
 * the speeds in the body and infobox are slightly different
 * Fixed
 * the belt armor in the infobox gives a range, but there is no range in the body
 * Corrected
 * if she underwent sea trials in May 1901, wasn't she completed by that point? Just referring to the lead, body and infobox. Perhaps use commissioned rather than completed in the lead?
 * Generally there are final changes made after the sea trials, but yes, by and large ships are essentially complete by the time they go to trials. Commissioned is probably a less ambiguous word.
 * you introduce the term Heimatflotte as if it had been mentioned earlier. Was KB part of the Home Fleet? From what point? There is some assumed knowledge here that needs explication.
 * Good point.
 * I'm not sure about the construction "the V Squadron" and "the I Squadron". If it is consistent with other articles, fine, but it rankles me somehow, I keep thinking it doesn't need "the", but if Dan is happy, I'll shut up.
 * I think Prince Heinrich should be linked
 * Good catch
 * the para commencing "Prince Heinrich" commences abruptly. Suggest tacking the first sentence onto the preceding para.
 * See how it reads now. Parsecboy (talk) 12:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Comments by ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Construction
 * Tonnes should be linked on first mentioning, same as knots
 * Good idea
 * 'Marine-type': According to Gröner they were Thornycroft's.
 * Fixed.


 * Service history
 * Princess Luise Sofie of Prussia: Her common name seems to be 'Sophie' rather than 'Sofie', although that is consistent with the source given. However, the article fails to mention that she was Willy's sister-in-law. Suggestion: change to 'Princess Luise Sophie, the Emperor's sister-in law' or similar.
 * Yeah, and I tend to prefer to use the German name rather than the English equivalent (for instance, as with Heinrich instead of Henry). But a good idea to mention the relation
 * Third paragraph: Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse is mentioned - cut & paste error?
 * Yup, good catch.
 * Decommissioning in December 1903? I am confused. There is surely a difference between in and out of service and commissioning, isn't there?
 * It was fairly common practice in the KM to decommission ships for lengthy repairs - I'd assume this was because they had chronic manpower shortages and the crew from a temporarily decommissioned ship could be used elsewhere. They frequently had to play a shell game with crews (for instance, after SMS Rheinland completed sea trials, most of her crew were sent to commission SMS Von der Tann, and they were replaced with the crew from SMS Zähringen, which was decommissioned for 2 years until a crew could be stood back up).
 * Fourth paragraph: '1-pounder' is not a category used by the Imperial Navy. According to Hildebrand et al. those were 37mm machine guns, the German WP speaks of 'revolver guns'. Which?
 * All three, actually. The 37mm Hotchkiss revolver cannon fired a 1-pound shell.
 * ÄDA - DÄP VA (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks ÄDA. Parsecboy (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Comments
 * Link and tell the reader what kind of engine a triple expansion engine is in the infobox.
 * Done
 * Link to knots, nautical miles in both infobox and main body; be sure to add range to main body.
 * Done and done
 * Move the note for the gun nomenclature to right after use.
 * Done
 * Cylindrical boilers aren't water-tube boilers; not sure about Marine-type boilers. The former are also called Scotch marine boilers.
 * They were Thornycrofts, fixed per ÄDA above
 * Need an OCLC number for Brassey's and an ISSN for RUSI Journal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sturmvogel 66 (talk • contribs)
 * Done, thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sturm, I'd like to promote this now and if there are any minor tweaks still necessary then you guys can discuss on the article talk page. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:48, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Sources review: All sources appear to be of appropriate quality and reliability. Citations are consistently and correctly formatted. Brianboulton (talk) 17:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
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