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The article was promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC).

SMS Posen

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

The final German dreadnought to appear at FAC, this is the end of an era of sorts. Granted, a few more articles will have to come here to bump the topic up to 50%, a project over 6 years in the making. I wrote this article in 2010, when it passed GA and A-class reviews; it has since waited in the queue for FAC. I look forward to working with reviewers to ensure this article meets the FA criteria. Thanks in advance to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Comments - Dank (push to talk)
 * Congratulations; feels like the end of an era :) I see I did a lot of editing on this a long time ago, so I'm probably commenting on some of my own work here from back when I was a naive lad, I haven't checked.
 * "night-fighting against British light forces. In the confused night actions ... later in the night": It might be a little better to lose one "night". Maybe "In the confusion" or "In the darkness".
 * "In the confusion" seems best to me.
 * In the third paragraph, "Posen" is the subject of 4 out of 6 sentences.
 * Alternated a few of them.
 * "standard load": I'm not sure what that means pre-1920. - Dank (push to talk) 20:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * According to Groener, it "includes 25 to 50 percent full load as above, and has been used in the German navy since 1882 as a basis for performance and speed calculations." Want me to add a note?
 * I didn't know that. Your call. - Dank (push to talk) 13:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I figure more information never hurts. Parsecboy (talk) 15:41, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support on prose per standard disclaimer. - Dank (push to talk) 20:38, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, as always, Dan. Parsecboy (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Support with a minor comment:
 * "In 1919, following the scuttling of the German fleet in Scapa Flow, she was ceded to the British as a replacement for the ships that had been sunk." (in the lead) and "On 11 November 1918, the Armistice took effect; according to its terms, eleven battleships and five battlecruisers were to be interned in Scapa Flow for the duration of negotiations for the peace treaty.[37] Posen was not among the ships interned, and she was instead decommissioned on 16 December. The ships in Scapa Flow were eventually scuttled on 21 June 1919, and as a result, Posen and the other battleships not interned were seized as replacements for the ships that had been lost." (in the main text) - this didn't make sense to me until I clicked on the link and found that the Germans had scuttled their own ships - the "eventually" probably threw me off a bit. It would be good to perhaps clarify this in the main text, e.g. "The ships in Scapa flow were scuttled by the German commander to prevent them being divided among the allies," or some phrasing like that? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * How does it read now? Parsecboy (talk) 09:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Image check - all OK (PD-age, own work). Sources and authors provided. GermanJoe (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Comment
 * Generally, this has the same issues I raised with Nassau
 * Namesake citation
 * Added.
 * armor section cite / no deck armor?
 * Added.
 * main/secondary battery links
 * Done.
 * fix rationale for triple reciprocating vs. turbines
 * Added.
 * Complement uncited; also, define 2nd command flagship somewhere.
 * Done.
 * The note and boats in the infobox are uncited.
 * Cut both - neither are particularly important details for the infobox
 * Add the royalty present at the launching and christening. Kirk (talk) 18:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm dependent on MisterBee for that information, since HRS is difficult to get here in the US. I pinged him, but he doesn't appear to be all that active at the moment. Thanks as always, Kirk. Parsecboy (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought it was easier to get that than - isn't there another book we found with that info?
 * Nope - I can't find a copy outside of Germany (well, this one has a copy in the Netherlands). Parsecboy (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware no libraries in the US have those books, too bad they are out of print or I'd put in a request that we would acquire them. The Great Naval Game: Britain and Germany in the Age of Empire By Jan Rüger was the other book which is in english and has some of the details, but none for Posen. Kirk (talk) 15:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - You're welcome! In closing, as I mentioned with Nassau the class article needs some attention & hopefully MisterBee can help with those gossipy details. Kirk (talk) 21:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the class articles all need some work - they were among the first articles I wrote in this project, and as such were all sort of experimental. And of course they were written before Staff's books were published, so they're missing those at very least. Parsecboy (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done
 * Cite error: "A list-defined reference named "displacement" is not used in the content"
 * Be consistent in whether you abbreviate page ranges. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Both fixed - thanks Nikki. Parsecboy (talk) 09:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments based on HRS volume 6, MisterBee1966 (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * launched 12 December 1908 not 13 December. page 239
 * I'll need to double-check Groener and see if I didn't make a typo. Parsecboy (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just a typo. Groener says 12 Dec. as well. Parsecboy (talk) 12:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * speech by Wilhelm August Hans von Waldow-Reitzenstein. page 239
 * Does he have a title of some sort? I'd like to identify his significance to the reader if possible. Parsecboy (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * christened by Johanna von Radolin, wife of de:Hugo Fürst von Radolin. page 239
 * Added. To be clear, the connection is that Hugo was born in Posen? Parsecboy (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wilhelm von Krosigk commanded her from June 1917 to November 1918. page 239
 * Added.
 * regarding armament two of her 8.8 cm (3.5 in) SK L/45 guns were replaced by two 8.8 cm (3.5 in) SK L/45 guns were replaced by the Flak variant. page 239
 * Added.
 * assault the capital of Helsingfors: 4 dead and 12 wounded. page 241
 * That's already in the article (see the second paragraph in the Finland section, about the middle of the paragraph). Thanks for your help with HRS, MisterBee. Parsecboy (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Support Comments 
 * Not required, but it would be good to round of the metric conversions off properly with a |1 at the end of the template.
 * Link knot, nautical mile (I'd also suggest unabbreviating these on first use), turret.
 * Capitalize army.
 * Do you know how much she cost?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll need to check Groener for her cost this afternoon - everything else should be taken care of. Thanks for reviewing the article, Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Cost added. Parsecboy (talk) 12:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Delegate comment -- Dab link:lnn? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It was re-targeted this morning. Thanks for catching that, Ian. Parsecboy (talk) 18:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 03:36, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
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