Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/SS Arctic disaster/archive1


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The article was promoted by Ian Rose (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2014 (diff).

SS Arctic disaster

 * Nominator(s): Brianboulton (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I had never heard of the sinking of SS Arctic until, quite recently, I saw in the window of a second-hand bookshop the intriguing title Women and Children Last. I bought the book; it's an appalling story of what can happen in circumstances where the instinct for self-preservation overwhelms all other considerations. Not one of the 100+ women and children on board SS Arctic when she sank was saved; the great majority of the 80-odd survivors from the ship's complement of 400 were members of the crew. It's a story of muddle, panic, cowardice and a few acts of heroism; there was no official enquiry, no compensation, no retribution—quite painful to write at times. I've done my best with AmEng spellings, and would like to thank the observant peer reviewers who checked out this and other aspects of the article. Brianboulton (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support had my say at the peer review. Excellent article that had me wearing my life jacket.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * A wise precaution bearing in mind your present situation. Thanks for taking the time to review this, and for your past help. Brianboulton (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support – I too was a satisfied reviewer at the peer review. This nautical nightmare is painfully sad but expertly written. Cassianto talk 21:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you indeed – and you in New York where it all began! Enjoy your holiday. Brianboulton (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

If I don't mention an image that means it has no issues.
 * Image review
 * File:Collins Cunard Competition 1852.jpg - Source link would be best if it could go directly to the post with the image (i.e. this one)
 * I have adjusted the link so that it goes to the image. Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * File:SS Arctic collision map1854.jpeg - According to our article on The Nautical Magazine, it was a British publication. If so, this needs a UK PD template as well. (Also, owing to the fact that reproductions attract new copyrights in the UK [for your immediate source] I'd recommend a PD art template).
 * I have amended the licemnces as you suggest, although I'd be pleased if you would check to ensure that I've done this correctly. Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've edited a little to reflect the fact that this was an anonymous publication. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * File:Wreck of the U.S.M. steam ship "Arctic" (one-third-size).png - PD-70 is not PD in the US. James E. Buttersworth (not Butterworth) died in 1894, so this is PD-100 (which is acceptable).
 * I have amended Buttersworth and included his dates in the image file. I have also used the PD-100 licence but again I'd be pleased if you'd check. Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks correct. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * File:Edward Knight Collins.jpg - Really, really needs a crop. I'll do that. Best to use the creator template for Brady (which shows his year of death, supporting the PD-100 claim).
 * I'd be pleased if you would do the crop, & perhaps adjust the licence as necessary. Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this image review. Please advise me if anything else needs doing. Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC) Also, a somewhat minor point, WP:BOLDTITLE states that "Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead", meaning the link to the ship should go. Actually, I think the MOS recommends not even bolding here.04:40, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Images are okay. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not certain that your interpretation of WP:BOLDTITLE is entirely correct here, since there is no reiteration of the article's title, only of the ship's name which forms a part of the title. I think the ship link is important – more important than the bolding – so I have debolded, and kept the link. Plase chastise if I've got that wrong. Brianboulton (talk) 19:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that is correct per BOLDTITLE ("In general, if the article's title is absent from the first sentence, do not apply the bold style to related text that does appear:). Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK – it seems that I have done the right thing, if not for the right reason. Thanks again. Brianboulton (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. I was another of the peer reviewers, and my few (and minor) quibbles were dealt with then. This is a top-flight article. May I add a single new quibble, so tiny as to be barely visible with the naked eye: as the page is written in AmEng, oughtn't "Mrs Edward Collins" get a full-stop after "Mrs"—obsolete usage in these islands, but still, I think, current in America.  Tim riley  talk    16:44, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have put in the American full stop – none of the American or Canadian readers picked this up, so huge kudos to the sharp-eyed Riley, and much thanks for your help and support. Brianboulton (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Our North American compeers were assuredly just being kind to Anglo-Saxon fossils such as us.  Tim riley  talk    19:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Support Another happy punter from PR, and a more enjoyable tragedy I haven't read for a while. Excellent stuff. - SchroCat (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * – and again, thanks for your help and support. Brianboulton (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done
 * ODNB should be italicized
 * It's the online ODNB, which is not the same as the print version & shouldn't be italicised.


 * Use a consistent date format
 * The New York Times or New York Times?
 * Fixed number of columns in reflist is deprecated in favour of colwidth. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Except as noted, these points fixed. Thanks for the review. Brianboulton (talk) 15:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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