Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sai Baba of Shirdi/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 16:20, 5 November 2007.

Sai Baba of Shirdi
previous FAC

Self-nomination: Restarting the FAC. It's already been nominated for FA once (but it failed), after that I nominated it for GA twice and it passed the second time. I think I've corrected most of the mistakes and faults of the article and that it complies with the FA criteria. Kkrystian 14:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please format your references. It's hard to gauge the reliability of a source from a plain URL. You may wish to use Cite web for this. You've also got some short sections or paragraphs. "Miracles" is a short section, and has some one- and two-sentence paragraphs that display as one line on this computer. Many of the other sections appear to have too many header levels. "Biography" is broken into five subheading, and only one exceeds one paragraph. "Death" is two lines. Avoid restating the article subject in headers, per Manual of Style.  Pagra shtak  15:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! Karanacs 19:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to lack of citations and the need for a good copyedit. Here are some of the issues that I've found.
 * I am not familiar with Hindu naming practices. There needs to be consistency in how he is referred to after the first mention of his name.  In general, the convention is to use only a surname for subsequent mentions, but it's unclear to me whether Baba could be considered a surname or not.  The article currently alternates between using "Sai" and using the full "Sai Baba", and should standardize on one.
 * The lead has two one-sentence paragraphs, which is not good form. It will also need a citation for "one of the most popular Indian saints," as that is a statement that could be contested.
 * Paragraphs combined, statement cited. Kkrystian 19:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is an overuse of parentheses. Many of the parenthetical phrases could, and should, be incorporated better into the text.
 * The subsections in biography are very short and should be combined.
 * "Second stay in Shirdi" and "Death" combibned. Kkrystian 19:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's better, but what if you just have two sections there - one called Early life and one called Ya Sai or something like that. The first section would group together everything that is in the current first 3 sections, and the last one would be the current "Second stay" section. Karanacs 19:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't wikilink single years (like 1858). Full dates, however, should be wikilinked (15 Oct 1918)
 * Every fact needs to be cited; this means that at the very least there should be one citation per paragraph. Several paragraphs have no citations.
 * Added some more citations. Kkrystian 19:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Better, but the statement about the 1977 film being "hugely popular " definitely needs a citation. Karanacs 19:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article needs a copyedit. There are clunky sentences and paragraphs that don't flow well.
 * COuld you please correct them. Kkrystian 19:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really have time to copyedit, and that's not my biggest talent anyway. The League of Copyeditors might be able to help.  Karanacs 19:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "He prayed in the Hindu and Muslim way. " - are the ways the same or are they different and the article means he prayed in both the Hindu and Muslim ways? It might be wise to expand that.
 * Corrected. Kkrystian 19:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Use named refs, when possible, to reduce the number of duplicated references. For example, 15 and 16 are the same, and 20-23 are the same.
 * Largely corrected. Kkrystian 19:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's still at least one more instance. Karanacs 19:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Citations to websites must include the name of the publisher (often the website name) and the title of the page. They should not include format=HTML, because that is the default.

Too many missing citations; starting from the lead.
 * Oppose:
 * The lead has just a reference. Sentences like "an Indian guru, yogi and fakir, who is regarded by his Hindu and Muslim followers as a saint. Some of his Hindu devotees believe that he was an Avatar of Shiva, Dattatreya, a satguru and the next incarnation of Kabir."; "revered by several notable Hindu, Sufi and Zoroastrian religious leaders." ; "his well known epigrams says of God: "Allah Malik" ("God is Master")."; "His philosophy was Advaita Vedanta" " 11 assurances" "Miracles" section etc. facts like birth in C.1838 and Death date need references.
 * Then there are 2 mentions of Dwarakamai : once as his parent ; once as a mosque???? Clarify. --Redtigerxyz 12:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.