Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sandra Morgan


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The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 23:21, 22 November 2008.

Sandra Morgan

 * Nominator(s):  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! )

Youngest Australian to win an Olympic gold medal.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! ) 08:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

–Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  14:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * Ref #10 needs publisher, last accessdate, and publication date/year information.
 * Otherwise, sources look good (although the link checker appears to be down)
 * Actually it already did, but I added the years as well.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! ) 04:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments - Another Aussie swimmer who I've never heard of. Would this be part of a featured topic drive involving 1956 Aussie swimming medalists in the Olympics, by chance? Either way, I'll take a look at it now. I don't have time for any more at the moment, but I'll come back later to look at the rest.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 18:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Any more books with information on her? I notice that the same books have been used in all of the recent FACs from you. While they provide a good amount of details, additional references wouldn't hurt, if avaliable. If not, don't worry about it.
 * Early years: "with Crapp winning an individual gold medal." This is an example of the noun plus -ing structure, which I rarely catch here. How about "; Crapp won an individual gold medal."
 * National selection: "However, Morgan she was not regarded as a likely selection in the final team." Remove a word after However.
 * "She was six swimmers selected for the 4 x 100 m freestyle relay squad, the first time Australia had entered the event at Olympic level." The connection between the two parts of this statement is somewhat lacking. Try a variation of "the first from Australia to compete at Olympic level."
 * "Morgan was placed under substantial pressure by media comment that regarded her as the weak link in the relay team." Should it be comments? I don't have the book, so I can't say if there were more than one. But the grammar is off one way or the other.
 * Done all this. No I don't have the intention of writing up all the 1956 Australian swimming medallists, I'm only finishing what I already have. Dawn Fraser, Lorraine Crapp Jon Henricks and Murray Rose would take a lot of work with their long careers, and in the case of Fraser, she became an outspoken politician and also commentator on sport. As for books, it seems that in the old days swimming was a very fringe sport and the only old swimmers that have biographies are very famous ones who won multiple golds like Rose, Fraser, Shane Gould, Frederick Lane, exceptions being Fanny Durack (first woman) and Boy Charlton (general national icon) and Frank Beaurepaire (won 34 national titles a stack of medals although none were gold and became a politician and millionaire tyre magnate (billions in modern currency) and organised the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne as the Lord Mayor). The rest are restricted to 3-4 pages in combined compilations of great Australian Olympians. In modern times, most individual gold medallists will have at least a minibook somewhere, but in this case Morgan only came 6th in the individual event. And in the old days we don't have Swiminfo to trawl through. Luckily, Morgan has been a borderline public figure in modern times as a Christian preacher, Olympic ambassador and Australia day ambassador so there are some bits cut out of websites about her later life. But those books are as good as we'll get for the swimming details. The Sydney Morning Herald doesn't have online archives yet... YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 04:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm back to finish my review; sorry for the delay.
 * "With 25 m left, Morgan took her head out of the water—a cardinal sin—and seeing the American...". It's only a cardinal sin in swimming terms, not real life.
 * After swimming: "She then ran a swimming school at Bonnet Bay for 15 years and worked at the Bates Drive Special School and received a grant to teach preschool handicapped children swimming." A double and without a comma. Either break it up with a comma, or connect the two together differently.
 * That's all, at least from me.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 21:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * done these.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 04:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Under Guthrie's coaching, Morgan quickly became one of the quickest junior swimmers in the state, winning the under-14 110 yd and 55 yd freestyle as well as the 110 yd butterfly at the New South Wales Championships in 1956. - "Quickest" &rarr; "fastest". Good work as usual. Just some fairly minor suggestions. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  19:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Comments
 * Although her times were among the fastest in the country, Morgan's youth meant that she was not selected for the Olympic training squad. - This might be better as "Although her times were among the fastest in the country, Morgan's youth prevented selection for the Olympic training squad."
 * The team were expected to swim three times a day, totalling more than 16 kilometres.  - Needs a unit conversion.
 * the Australian lead thus being cut to 0.9 s. = "The Australian lead was thus cut to 0.9 s".
 * Her chest problems remained when she returned to competition at the 1960 Australian Championships, coming third in the 220 yd and 440 yd freestyle and fifth in the 110 yd freestyle. - "Remained" &rarr; "persisted", "coming" &rarr; "placing".
 * Done. Thanks for spotting these.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 01:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Support. My issues were addressed. This was an interesting, well-written article. Karanacs (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Comments. I enjoyed this article. Just a few quick comments:
 * Does the first sentence really need to say that she was a swimmer "of the 1950s"; later in the sentence it mentions her win at the 1956 Olympics, so that should be implied.
 * Sure.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 02:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "Marsh was given twice the number of lessons as the other students" - is this supposed to be "Morgan"? Why was she given twice the number of lessons?  Because she was that bad or because she was pushing herself to improve more quickly than the others?
 * Fixed.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 02:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Do we know the name of Morgan's mother, since we list her father's name?
 * No, the Olympic compilation book does not.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 02:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Karanacs (talk) 15:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * FA's don't need an image, but I'm highly surprised there is no free picture here. I would encourage checking around a bit on this (she seems to be in the public eye still, so a non-free is not appropriate).  However, it's not a failure if one can't be found. --M ASEM  23:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Australian copyright law allows PD prior to January 1955, when Morgan was 12.5 years old and not on the national scene. None of the fair use pictures pass NFCC8 - they just show what she looks like.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 02:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Is Nyngan Observer a newspaper? If so, should be in italics, and same for the Chronicle.
 * Done, yes they are.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 02:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.seasonsconference.com/speakerprofilesandramorganbeavis.pdf
 * http://www.christianityworks.com/pages/face2face.asp?pid=958
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Those missionary sources are only used to indicate that Morgan works with them. The second is the TV schedule of a Christian talk show. Also the chronicle article mentioned that Morgan was talking at a Seasons function.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! '') 02:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll leave these out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Please check the dabfinder in the tool box. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, found one.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! ) 02:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Weak support - The pending source concerns account for the weak. Primary sources aren't the end of the world, but it would be better to cite media stories for her religious work, if possible. Also, is a media source avaliable for the government medal that she won, which is currently sourced to Christianityworks? Other than that, I think it passes the criteria and personally prefer it to the Faith Leech article, which is also at FAC.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 18:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, all the info from the Christian websites has been doubled up by other newspaper sources. The only thing that is exclusively referenced to a Christian website is the TV schedule that shows that Morgan partcipated on a chat show.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! ) 00:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
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