Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sega/archive2

Sega

 * Nominator(s): Red Phoenix  talk  23:39, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Sega is a Japanese video game and arcade company most well known for Sonic the Hedgehog. It is also the world's most prolific producer of arcade games. As a contributor to Wikipedia, I found their story intriguing not only as someone who grew up playing Sega games, but in the unique stories of corporate success, and failure, that they endured. It's in many ways no longer the same company, but one that is fondly remembered by fans and critical reviewers alike for its days before being acquired by Sammy Corporation in 2004.

This is the article's second review, after the first one was unsuccessful for a lack of feedback. Instead of a quick renomination, though, I chose to take it to a peer review, where was very gracious in providing a thorough and in-depth prose review. I feel more confident now than ever that this article is ready for FA status, though as always, I welcome all of the feedback that I will receive in this process. Not counting blocked users (and noting that to avoid WP:CANVASS concerns), I ping the following additional reviewers from the first review:.

Thank you for reviewing, and to finish my statement with a former Sega marketing slogan: Welcome to the Next Level. Red Phoenix talk  23:39, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems like my previous image review still applies. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * There was some discussion on whether or not File:Sonic 1991.png met NFCC#8 or not. I thought I'd leave it up for a final decision here, and I don't have an issue removing it if we're still favoring that it does not.   Red Phoenix  talk  17:21, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Comments from Lee Vilenski
Hi! Nice article. I'll try my best to give some comments below:

More to come
 * Perhaps the lede sentence should also mention it created video games consoles. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Is note [b] necessary? I don't need it shouldn't be in the text somewhere. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about translations, but usually we cite notes. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Should probably mention Tokyo, Japan. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Same for the next two locations. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Why is "Sega Interactive Co., Ltd." bolded, but Sega Holdings Co., Ltd. isn't? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * In 1969, Sega was sold to Gulf and Western Industries. - weirdly short sentence here Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Lee Vilenski. To address your notes so far:
 * I don't think the first sentence should, because that's not the present, but I threw in a line at the end of the first paragraph. I think it does actually fit in well there.
 * Removed note [b]. Wasn't my addition to begin with.  There always has been some weird push for the text "short for SErvice GAmes" as if someone has to see the capitals to understand, and I don't think it's really necessary.
 * Usually I haven't had any problem with needing a translation cited. Has not been a precedent in any of my previous FAs.
 * Also my understanding of precedent is that the largest cities don't usually need a country added, but if it's a sticking point I'll add them. I did add Shinagawa as the specific ward of Tokyo where Sega's HQ is located.
 * Bolded
 * Gave that sentence a slight expansion.
 * Red Phoenix talk  02:19, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you have more feedback for me? Thank you for your time.   Red Phoenix  talk  02:27, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry I took so long to get back to this. Here's a couple other things:

Other than that, I can't see much to stop a support. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC) Image review
 * Could we clean up: "including Amplitude Studios,[253] Atlus,[211] Creative Assembly,[254] Demiurge Studios,[220] Hardlight,[222] Relic Entertainment,[255] Sports Interactive,[256] and Two Point Studios.[237][238]"? There are cites everywhere, which isn't a huge issue, but I think the information could be cited in either a note, or a catch-all citation.
 * "3D fighting game" - is WP:SEAOFBLUE. I thought it was one link on my first passthrough.


 * Suggest scaling up the financial diagram


 * File:Sega_Annual_Income(Loss)_1993-2004.svg: some of the source links are dead. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Source links are fixed; they were archived in the article, but those links were never transferred to the Commons image data. That has now been done.  Not sure what you would like with scaling up the diagram.   Red Phoenix  talk  02:26, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Coordinator comments
Archiving this isn't my first choice but once again we've almost hit the one-month mark with minimal feedback and no support for promotion. I've added it to the Urgents list but I'll need to archive it in the coming days if some significant commentary doesn't materialize. Can we stir up some WikiProject members to participate? -- Laser brain  (talk)  01:02, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Support from SnowFire
I supported the previous nomination. I checked the diff since July and it doesn't seem that the article has substantially degraded since then. Legacy section is still a bit hypey, but no big deal.

My main nitpick from the additions is that there's a "640 times more data" for CD vs. cartridge that's been added. Technically true, but I guess this gets into how much Wikipedia is for a general reader vs. a specialist audience - 640x the data is merely keeping pace with the times, at least back when Moore's law was in full effect. Any bit of 1994 tech is gonna thrash 1989 tech no matter what the platform, so I wonder if general audience readers will infer the wrong thing here. SnowFire (talk) 00:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

-- Laser brain  (talk)  12:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)