Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Smile (Lily Allen song)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:34, 3 December 2009.

Smile (Lily Allen song)

 * Nominator(s): 12345abcxyz20082009  ( talk ) 18:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I feel that, after working on it for three months (give or take), it is ready for this recognition, I hope. 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 18:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. Alt text done; thanks. Please add alt text to images; see WP:ALT. Eubulides (talk) 18:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 18:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That was fast! Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 18:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment There is a dead link; check the toolbox at the top right of the FAC page. Dabomb87 (talk) 05:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The site says it will return in a few days, hopefully before the end of this nomination. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a replacement which is also a reliable source.


 * Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 05:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.-- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 13:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please audit throughout for sentence and paragraph length. For example, the sentences "While John Murphy of musicOHM...", "Rob Sheffield from Rolling Stone Magazine..." (and why mention him in the lead?) are huge. The first paragraph of 'Music video' too. —indopug (talk) 11:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I mentioned him in the lead because he is a reliable and famous reviewer; if you want, I can remove him. I reworded some sentences that seemed too long. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 13:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The words "released 2006" or "written in 200?" should be included in the first sentence. Amandajm (talk) 11:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 12:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose on criterion 3
 * File:Lily Allen - Smile.ogg - There is no specific purpose of use in this fair use rationale.
 * File:Smilevideo.PNG - There is no specific purpose of use in this fair use rationale.

For help in writing purposes of use, see the end of this dispatch. Awadewit (talk) 01:52, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Is it better now? -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 12:36, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks! Striking oppose. Awadewit (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on sources What makes these reliable?
 * http://www.chartstats.com/songinfo.php?id=32564
 * http://acharts.us/song/10450
 * http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=7301
 * http://www.last.fm/music/Example/+wiki
 * http://chrismoyles.net/soundvault/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1434
 * http://www.ciao.co.uk/Thrillville_Off_The_Rails_Xbox_360__Review_5834915

This probably does not have permission to repost the video so needs to be replaced:
 * http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fa9i_lily-allen-smile-live_music

Refs 46-51 are Discogs which is open source and thus not FA reliable. RB88 (T) 01:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you actually asking me, or is it a rhetorical question? Anyway, Chartstats is reliable (had his conversation at a previous FLC, hope it won't start again) and it and aCharts are put under WP:GOODCHARTS.
 * Being listed on project talk pages does not make sources automatically reliable. This takes precedence: Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches. I can't see any info here and here that warrants their inclusion. Ideally, we would like reliable and notable third-party sources using their info as was the case with EveryHit for example. RB88 (T) 00:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Songfacts is a database of song information compiled by music enthusiasts, radio professionals and songwriters, who are often interviewed to determine the stories behind their songs, so I'm guessing it is notable (it has its own Wikipedia entry). For the rest of them I will try to find a replacement. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 08:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I've removed last.fm, dailymotion, discogs and ciao.co.uk. Chrismoyles.net is apparantly his website, it is linked from BBC.co.uk, which is reliable.-- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 11:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * chrismoyles.net is a fansite run by fans and by its own wording "unofficial". It's not FA reliable. http://chrismoyles.net/mw/contact.shtml
 * Songfacts is open source has thus not FA reliable. Having its own wiki article does not automatically qualify it for inclusion. http://www.songfacts.com/about.php
 * Again see: Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches
 * Fine, I won't argue anymore. After many searches on Google, I managed to remove ChartStats, chrismoyles and Songfacts. I am still looking for a replacement for aCharts, but, just so you know, I have seen some FAs citing that website; their authors should replace them, too. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 14:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they do, but this is the only article open to dissection here at the moment. Quick question: with what sources did you replace the ones you removed? Or did you remove the material sourced to them too? RB88 (T) 17:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I replaced ChartStats with Billboard, ChrisMoyles.net with The Sun and Songfacts with Entertainment Wise and NME. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 18:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, so I did find a replacement for acharts at Billboard.biz. The only problem is that it's only available for subscribers, so not everybody can see it. I am not a subscriber, so this is as far as I can go. Could it still be used as a source? -- 12345abcxyz20082009  ( talk ) 17:57, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Check the toolbox for dead and rotting web links. Current ref 4 is a deadlink; it just redirects to the main page of the magazine's website. You might also want to fix the URLs that are changing paths; they too might die in the future. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, replaced dead link. All external links are now good.-- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 14:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Article appears to meet 1b,d,e, 2a,b and 4.  Majorly  talk  14:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Is that the correct John Ellis in the band line-up? Links to John Ellis (guitarist), ex-Vibrators and Stranglers man. Maybe he has turned to Ska and keyboards? Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)   20:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think so. Initially, I linked to John Ellis, which was a disambiguisation page, so I chose him because he seemed the obvious choice. I don't know if it is him or another John Ellis, but I removed him just to be safe. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 12:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Best action as he is definitely a different John Ellis, from his photo. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)   12:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


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