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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 16:33, 24 May 2008.

Some Enchanted Evening (The Simpsons)
I'm nominating this article for featured article because I feel I have done everything there is to do about this subject. The article is a GA and has had a peer review. It is an episode that is important in the history of The Simpsons. Maitch (talk) 20:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * A couple of statements that read like opinion to me are unsourced.
 * Production section, sixth paragraph, last sentence, last phrase in the sentence "...so this was ignored by the producers." is unsourced
 * Same section, seventh paragraph, last sentence "It was intended for this to be the first couch gag..." is unsourced.
 * Cultural references sectioin, second paragraph, "The episode title is taken from the title of a ..." is unsourced.
 * Current ref 10, "End credits." Do you mean the end credits of the show? Can we format this a bit better?
 * Links checked out fine. Ealdgyth - Talk 21:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Response:
 * 1) Now sourced
 * 2) Removed
 * 3) Removed
 * 4) Yes, I mean the end credits of the show. Do you have a suggestion for formatting? --Maitch (talk) 21:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What are the parameters for cite episode? Does it have a section parameter? If not, try using "(Episode title): End Credits" as the title of the ref? Think that'll work okay? Ealdgyth - Talk 22:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

So, oppose for now, as it still needs a lot of work. Qst (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments (ec)
 * "Also, in the scene the cellar looks very much like the cellar of Norman Bates in the movie Psycho." — needs a citation, otherwise it's original research.
 * "According to Al Jean people thought this episode to be..." — Who exactly are these "people"?
 * "The episode title is taken from the title of a song from Rodgers and Hammerstein's "South Pacific" and is also the name of a 1978 Blue Öyster Cult album." — Does the album have anything to do with this, or is South Pacific (note the italics, and not quotes) what is truly important? A citation would probably clear it up.
 * The article needs a copyedit. I see a few things throughout, but the worst one is probably "The tension in the room had it almost cleared."—I can't tell what that's supposed to mean.  Pagra shtak  21:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * It would be nice to see an expansion to the lead, like the one on The Principal and The Pauper. Although either everything must be referenced in the lead or nothing, it would be nice to see some references there, to make it more professional.
 * The publisher of Reference #3 (the BBC) needs wikilinking to British Broadcasting Corporation.
 * Ref #2 needs to include an OCLC alongsid the ISBN, see Special:Booksources to find this.
 * The link text on reference nine doesn't match the title of the webpage.
 * It would be nice to see the production section split up in to different sections and sub-sections, as currently, its very cluttered and difficult to read
 * The plot needs shortening and needs a rewrite, as its tone isn't very encyclopedic at the minute.
 * You need to link to Portal:The Simpsons below the Wikiquote link.
 * The Marvin Monroe link needs fixing to its correct destination
 * Is it possible to expand the reception and cultural references? The former is very brief.


 * Oppose, concur with Qst. The prose is just so-so (ex. "Although it aired as the season finale, it was the first episode of the series to be produced, but was aired last due to significant animation problems." Practically had labor pains pushing that out, yet it is really the only substantive sentence in the whole lead) and it doesn't seem to approach comprehensiveness.  Recommend withdrawing and working with experienced FA writers and a copyeditor. -- Laser brain   (talk)  15:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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