Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Song Dynasty


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 18:13, 25 August 2007.

Song Dynasty
previous FAC

The Song Dynasty (960-1279 AD) era of China; this article was raised to GA status a while back, and although it failed its FAC review, after many improvements to the article I am renominating it for FA status. The main issue with the last review was copyright issues for a few of the article's images, which have since been solved with those images replaced with stable GNU licensed and public domain images from Commons. It is well sourced, stable (no edit-warring), has no startling POV statements, and is now well-written with many recent copyedits. There are a total of six related sub-articles created for this main article, including History, Culture, Society, Economy, Technology, and Architecture, all of which are summarized within the main article. Due to so many branch articles with separate info aiding the main Song Dynasty article, this article is not excessively long, only 46 KB.--PericlesofAthens 15:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think the article is extremely good and beautifully laid out. I would suggest that under "Society, culture, economy, and technology you vary more the beginning of subsections and not start so many in a row with "The Song Dynasty..." --Mattisse 19:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You know what, Matisse? I think I'll see what I can do with that, I'm glad you brought that up, otherwise I would not have even noticed the repetition.--PericlesofAthens 21:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I just updated the society sub-section with info on law and order, justice and early forensic science in the Song period.--PericlesofAthens 21:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Support -- excellent in coverage and sourcing, elegant in writing. Chensiyuan 13:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. Excellent prose, proper citations, and extremely FA-worthy. --Hemlock Martinis 00:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. Almost nothing about the Song military? Write up a good section on the military, and you get my support. -- Миборовский 03:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support -- Миборовский 19:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Миборовский, I have addressed your concern by adding a big-ole whopping paragraph in the Society section on the Song military, and adding a new picture to aid the new text. I hope Mikey likes it. Lol. :) -- Pericles of Athens  Talk 14:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just me but I don't see the military as part of 'society', but rather I think it should have its own section on the main Song Dynasty page. It's certainly important enough to warrant its own section and subpage. You already have a lot of information scattered around various sections of the article, but I just think it would be better together. -- Миборовский 16:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason why it is under the "Society" section is because all of the information about the military is found in the Society of the Song Dynasty article, which is summarized here in the "Society" section for the main Song Dynasty article. I am just following wiki standards of having a main article that is summarized in a section of another article. In summarizing the military info in this article section, it allows the reader to know which main article to look at if they want to know more about a given topic, such as looking in Society of the Song Dynasty for more information on the Song military. For what I am supporting, see Guide to layout, Guide to writing better articles, Summary style. Plus, the information on the military represents only one paragraph in this article here (albeit a large one), which hardly warrants an entire section (let alone the fact that all the military information is already placed in a listed sub-article). The architecture section at least has two large paragraphs.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 17:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind! Wiki member Mattisse and I have fixed the problem by creating new sub-headings and a new over-heading. The military now has its own sub-section under society, not culture, which makes no sense.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 18:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, fair enough. -- Миборовский 19:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Support - really astounding work! You are approaching a featured topic around the Song Dynasty. You have my offer to help with the architecture article next week when a couple books that I ordered arrive. D. Recorder 01:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments Support - nice. I'm postiing a couple of text-massage opportunities....I think the suggestions below are insufficient to be deal-breakers, but I think they are worth looking at and thinking about). The text is more polished than Augustus. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd think about a semicolon between .. 960–1279 AD. It succeeded... these 2 sentences as the first is rather short. I just love semicolons and they cheer me up. I think this is a great place for one.


 * Between the 10th and 11th centuries, the population of China doubled in size. - swap clauses to eliminate comma


 * Although weakened, the Song economy was not in ruins as the Southern Song contained 60 percent of China's population and a majority of the most productive agricultural land - change "Southern Song" to "the South" to reduce repetition (or is this introducing ambiguity?)


 * The Southern Song Dynasty built considerable naval strength.. - try "The Southern Song Dynasty considerably bolstered naval strength" (?)
 * Awesome! I'm glad you like the article; as for Augustus, it looks much better after the recent edits.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 03:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.