Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sorga Ka Toedjoe/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:Ian Rose 00:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC).

Sorga Ka Toedjoe

 * Nominator(s): — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I'm sure it meets the criteria, particularly after a PR by Wehwalt and Sarastro1. Speaking of historical significance, Sorga Ka Toedjoe was the first film which cast Roekiah and Djoemala together; their pairing lasted another three films. However, more interesting to me (and Wikipedians in general?) is that this article it the first which can provide a plot summary for the film, as cited to its novelisation; modern sources do not seem to have had access to novelisation, and they have not provided even the slightest plot summary. As such, even though this is fairly short (not as short as Gagak Item, but still only 6k characters) it is easily the most detailed look at this film now available. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Image check - all OK (PD-1996, PD-IDOld-Art30, Anonymous-EU). Sources provided (authors unknown). GermanJoe (talk) 07:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the check! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Support: I reviewed at the PR and had my say there. As usual, very little to fault about these articles, and I suspect the coverage of Indonesian films on Wikipedia is unparalleled anywhere, thanks mainly to Crisco. Sarastro1 (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, shucks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Support – A flawless piece of work Crisco congratulations. --  Cassianto Talk   18:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cassianto! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Support I also had my say at the peer review, a fine job.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wehwalt. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:14, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Comments This is an admirably concise but detailed article - great work. I have the following comments:
 * "targeted at low-class native audiences" - "low class" is usually used as an insult (eg, someone or something which lacks class). "Lower class" or "working class" might work better.
 * Went with "Lower" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Where's Puncak located?
 * Southeast of Buitenzorg/Bogor. Added. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "When Rasminah's carriage is stuck in a ruck" - by "ruck" do you mean "crowd"? If so, I'd suggest substituting this word as its likely to be much more familiar to readers.
 * D'oh. "Rut". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "Sorga Ka Toedjoe was shot in black-and-white, with some scenes filmed at Telaga Warna, near Buitenzorg (now Bogor)." - were was the rest of the movie filmed? (presumably in a studio somewhere)
 * Likely in Tan's studios in Batavia, but the sources don't explicitly say it :-(.


 * "However, Kristanto records several as having survived at Sinematek Indonesia's archives, and film historian Misbach Yusa Biran writes that several Japanese propaganda films have survived at the Netherlands Government Information Service" - I'm not sure what the purpose of this sentence is: is it suggesting that a copy of the film may still exist in a dusty archive somewhere? If so, it would be better to state this explicitly. Nick-D (talk) 00:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think the sources support explicitly stating "it may survive somewhere" (a statement true for most lost films, I should think), but they do give enough context for readers to get this implication. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough Nick-D (talk) 07:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Support All my above comments have now been addressed Nick-D (talk) 07:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Support I can't see any issues with this  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, Nick! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jim. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:47, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Source check: All look good, but check alphabetization of Works Cited. -- Laser brain  (talk)  12:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, got that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Graham Colm (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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