Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Steamtown, USA/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Karanacs 14:47, 28 September 2010.

Steamtown, USA

 * Nominator(s): Ishtar456 (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it exemplifies the best of wikipedia Ishtar456 (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—the link to Ludlow (town) leads to a dab page; there are no dead external links. Ucucha 20:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * sorry, thought I had fixed it. It is fixed now.--Ishtar456 (talk) 20:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

 YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  02:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sources are rather problematic
 * Inconsistent formatting in many places wrt "Retrieved"/"Accessed" and cap/non-cap
 * Some refs are incomplete with missing publisher, acessdates etc
 * Some footnotes don't appear to meet high-quality RS requirement as they are amaetur enthusiast sites, eg nos 9, 30 and perhaps 25.
 * #25 is actually the official site of the people who own the locomotive in discussion for that citation. Maybe their site appears amatuerish to you, but maybe a locomotive that you might build would look amaturish to them.  This is what it says on the site about who they are: "Prior to October 1, 2008, we were the steam locomotive and passenger train restoration and operating unit of the Ohio Central Railroad System. The railroad was owned by Jerry Joe Jacobson. We posted photos and information about our steam activities onto the Internet via our former web site, ocsteam.com. That now-defunct site has been vacated for our new name and this new web site." This information is rather obscure.  If the people who are actually doing the restoration cannot be cited, whereelse would you recommend that I look for sources?--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * #30 is also the website of the organiszation that is doing the restoration on that locomotive.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but what fact-checking and review mechanisms do they have like proper publishers??  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  07:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

In regards to #25: Age of Steam, Ltd is the publisher. Since they are the ones that are actually preserving the equiptment in question, I believe they would be the contact for any other publisher to fact check this information. The same, I think, can be said for #31 (formerly #30-I added a citation) Since the Friends of the Valley RR, a non-profit organization, is the group who is restoring the engine, they would most likely be the contact to fact check the information that I have cited from them. It kind of funny... I consider myself a citation fanatic, and I believe these sources to be reliable. In fact, often newspapers get some of the facts screwed up, but this is straight from the horse's mouth and I am sticking to my guns with these two. If it keeps the article from FA, then so be it.--Ishtar456 (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In regards to #9, all I was citing was the date and it turns out it was in one of my other sources, so I have removed it and replaced it with the other source (so #31 is back to being #30). All your other concerns regarding accessed dates, etc. have been addressed.--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Image concerns:
 * File:Turntable for infobox.jpg, File:Big Boy in Vermont.jpg, File:Rahway15 at Scranton.jpg, File:Steamtown1293for infobox.jpg, File:Up bigboy4012 at Vermont 2.jpg, File:CPR 2816 Empress at Steamtown, VT 1978.jpg, File:Up737atSteamtownBellowsfallsVT..jpg, and basically any photo by John Simakauskas from vistadome.com: Saying that "Author has given his permission to use his photo on this page, as long as he is attributed" does not help, especially when the webpage specifically states the images are copyrighted. Permission has to be attached to these images via an OTRS ticket.  See commons:Commons:OTRS
 * File:UnionPacific737in1890.jpg: creation does not mean publication (distribution of several copies to the public). This is a photo taken by a member of the official inspection party; it could have remained in the company records, never seen in the public eye until now.  The NPS got it from the Collection of the Railway and Locomotive Historical Society.  What qualifies it for the  copyright template?
 * File:Bartonsville Covered Bridge.jpg and File:Worrall Covered Bridge East.jpg: lack the customary assertion of authorship (e.g. "own work", "uploaded by photographer/me", or "I took this photo"); I have asked the uploader to help on this (hopefully he would be on to help).
 * The first two issues are more concerning and should be resolved before promotion. Jappalang (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

John Simakauskas gave his permission through email. What should I do, copy and paste it somewhere. Please advise. Thank you for asking about the covered bridges, I thought those photos had already been vetted.--Ishtar456 (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have sent the permission to OTRS and tagged on the photos OTRS pending. I understand that it could take a month to be addressed.  Will this prevent FA consideration?  If so I withdraw the nomination.  In the meantime, I have removed File:UnionPacific737in1890.jpg:.  I thought I could use it because it was in a government publication.  Everything else in on that page has been "cut and pasted" into Union Pacific 737, so as it was explained to me that that was okay, I thought the photo was also in public domain.  I do not know what to do about the covered bridges. As I said I thought they were okay for reuse.--Ishtar456 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The covered bridge contributor appears to have not edited sice May, so that seems pretty hopeless.--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.