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The article was promoted by Ian Rose 04:22, 18 May 2012.

Steve Lukather

 * Nominator(s): Laser brain   (talk)  00:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm pleased to offer session musician and Toto guitarist Steve Lukather, or "Luke", for your consideration. You've heard him, even if you think you've never heard him. He's played on over 1,500 albums, see. The article was reviewed for GA status back in September 2009 by Malleus Fatuorum, and received a substantive peer review from Brianboulton last month. "You know I won't hold you back now." Laser brain  (talk)  00:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comments: supported below You're right, I had never heard of him but I have heard him. I made a few small copyedits as went through, feel free to revert. This looks very well written, strongly leaning support but have a few small comments.
 * No dabs, but one dead link.
 * Might want to provide a translation of the title of the Spanish language source.
 * "Grammy Award" is first linked in the "2008–2010:" section, but it's mentioned a few times before. Also might want to link "Billboard"
 * "although he has lamented that opportunities for session musicians have curtailed in recent years:" A little concerned about the use of "recent" here, when did he say this?
 * "He won won a Grammy award for the George Benson song "Turn Your Love Around"." Maybe note the date on this.
 * "most of whom were involved in the hard rock genre" Should "hard rock genre" be hyphenated?
 * "Lukather describes the album as being a "real" and "honest" reflection of the difficult period between 2008 and 2010." What do you mean by "the difficult period between 2008 and 2010", is this in terms of the economy or Lukather's personal difficulties?
 * Purely a preference issue, but I'd prefer less than four columns for the references.
 * The only remaining concern I have is that there's very little about his personal life, it's mentioned that he has a son, anything else that could be added? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the helpful comments! I have adopted them or made appropriate adjustments, except for the last point. Lukather does not discuss his personal life in interviews except for brief mentions of his son Trevor. He does have other children but reliable information is not to be found—mostly just fan blogs and things of that nature. -- Laser brain  (talk)  03:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Alright, all your fixes and explanations look good to me, so I'm more than ready to support at this point, (pending image checks etc.) good job! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Is there any information about his personal life?-- GoP T C N 10:11, 26 April 2012 (UTC) Sorry did not read the above comment :/.-- GoP T C N  10:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Support: I carried out a detailed peer review, and my mainly minor points have all been addressed. This is a well written and thorough article on a significant musician of whom I have personally never heard – but for me that's almost a given if he/she was born after about 1905. I know, I know, I need to get out more, etc etc....(note: support conditional on resolution of any source or images issues - see below) Brianboulton (talk) 13:45, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Sources review: (no spotchecks carried out)
 * Slagman.com: there are a number of citations to this source, but the links in each case appear to go the the Steve Lukather website, and I can't see evidence of the given authorship (Arend and Kay Slagman). Also, why is slagman.com a reliable source?
 * Why is steelydan.com a reliable source?
 * What is the physical nature of the source in ref 15, should I wish to access it?

Brianboulton (talk) 22:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Brian! Responses:
 * Slagman.com—not quite sure how to handle this one. This is the publisher of Steve Lukather's official web site. I put "Slagman.com" in the publisher field of the citation template and that's how it came out. One or both of the Slagmans writes all of the content on the site in consultation with Lukather. Sometimes they are credited on individual articles on the site, and sometimes not. I treated his web site as a source consistent with the guidelines listed in WP:SELFPUB. Perhaps I should change the styling of the citations so Slagman.com doesn't appear to be the source.
 * Steelydan.com is an official site about Steely Dan operated by two members of the band (listed in the site copyright notice). I think this would be a reliable source for information on who was in the band, but I'm willing to get an alternate source if you think it's necessary. -- Laser brain  (talk)  23:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The interview for ref 15 is an MP3. I've included a hyperlink in the citation now. -- Laser brain  (talk)  23:35, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Update on Slagman.com: I've removed all of the author attributions except where explicitly noted on the site. I've also replaced Slagman.com as the publisher with "SteveLukather.net" as the work. Hopefully this works. -- Laser brain  (talk)  20:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think attribution to the Lukather website is right. There are about 17 citations to pages from this site, out of 90+ citations in all, which I don't think is excessive. The information drawn from this site seems to be, in the main, factual accounts of what Lusaker did or said, which is acceptable. You appear to have replaced steelydan.com. No further sources issues as far as I am conerned. Brianboulton (talk) 13:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Session work: Space needs to be removed after a quotation mark in " Beat It".
 * "He won won a Grammy award in 1982 for the George Benson song 'Turn Your Love Around'." Double "won" there.
 * Might be just a personal preference, but I've never been a fan of starting sentences with numbers like in "1989's Lukather came about after Toto had been recording and playing for 11 years".
 * First paragraph of Side projects is completely unreferenced. That needs to be rectified, in my view.
 * Musical style and equipment: Little repetition from one sentence to another in "his own Lukather signature 'SL20' pickup system. The pickup system...".
 * I'm pretty sure a slash like the one in "1984/85" is discouraged by the MoS; how about an en dash instead? I've seen that used in many cases before. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think the all caps in refs 16 and 17 are desirable, given that we don't use them for Toto's name. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments and good catches! All addressed, except your fourth point. That para is a summary of what's contained in the rest of the section, and so that material is cited throughout. Do you think it's okay to leave it uncited in that case? -- Laser brain  (talk)  00:12, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Normally I'd say yes, Andy, but I couldn't find an explicit mention of Edgar Winter (and therefore a citation for working with him) in the rest of the section. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I recall now that the Edgar Winter item was a section of text I removed because it was sourced to a fan blog. I've removed the mention from paragraph lead as well. -- Laser brain  (talk)  17:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Support – If it's just a summary of what's to come, I don't think an extra cite is strictly required, so I'll consider that resolved. Everything else above has been fixed, and the rest of the article is strong, so I'm happy to offer my support. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Notes
 * Just a reminder we need an image check here.
 * Andy, can you point out the last time you had a source spotcheck at FAC? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never had my sources spot-checked. I'm so unfashionable. -- Laser brain  (talk)  00:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha -- given your vast experience at it, I'm tempted to say "physician, heal thyself!" but that kind of defeats the object. Never mind, we'll organise someone in due course... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk)


 * Support I like Toto.-- GoP T C N 16:23, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Spotchecks
 * Article: Lukather turned down an offer to join Miles Davis' band to accept their invitation.
 * Source: No access
 * Article: The album is scheduled to be released in early 2013.
 * Source: Lukather: "Having Eric "Mr. Chocolate" Valentine on drums today. It is sounding like a record now! Early 2013 release to those that have asked."
 * Article: Lukather claims that the album "changed his life" and that he was greatly influenced by the guitar playing of George Harrison in particular.
 * Source: The guitar and the Beatles album changed the life of the young boy. "Just the sound of it overcame my whole soul, if you want to call it that. I knew that's what I wanted to do. I remember George Harrison played a solo in I saw her standing there and just the sound of the guitar bending and the reverb struck a nerve inside of me." (Lukather, 1993
 * Article: Named by Gibson Guitar Corporation as one of the top 10 session guitars of all time
 * Source: 10 All-Time Great Session Guitarists: Best known for his work in Toto, Steve Lukather has in fact put his distinctive stamp on more than 1,000 albums. Known for his versatility, his credits include recordings made with Michael Jackson, Jackson Browne and Don Henley. Lukather is also a prolific songwriter who’s written hits for artists as diverse as George Benson and the Tubes.
 * Article: The guitarist has also been participating in the Fermatta Master Class Series project, an educational cooperative organized by the Fermatta Music Academy in Mexico.
 * Source: Este programa se imparte tanto en nuestras escuelas de música en Guadalajara como en la Ciudad de México. A continuación una breve lista de algunos de los maestros que hemos tenido el honor de recibir en nuestros campus...Steve Lukather
 * Article: In 1985, he released the instructional "Star Licks" guitar video featuring many of the guitar parts from the first five Toto studio albums. It was released on DVD in 2005.
 * Source: The Steve Lukather Master Session (a volume in the Star Licks guitar video-tutor series), made in 1984 after the release of the fifth Toto album Isolation, is the only instructional Lukather video...In January 2005 Omnibus Media re-released the 1984 instructional Lukather video on DVD. The DVD includes a 24-page booklet of examples in notation with a shorthand Tab guide.
 * No issues. Graham Colm (talk) 08:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Images are unproblematic, captions are fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Tks Graham and Nikki for those checks. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


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