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Stockport County F.C.

 * Nominator(s): Wna247 (talk) 17:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

This article is about Stockport County Football Club, and English football team that plays in the National League; the top division of the English non-league football system and the fifth division overall of the English football league system. This article has received both a a peer review and then a Copy Edit by a member of the guild of copy editors. Wna247 (talk) 17:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC) I was very pleased to see that despite not having a tonne of edits you have such a big stake in this article. I'll put some thoughts down below:
 * Comments by Lee Vilenski
 * Why are there three refs in the lede/Infobox? They seem like things we could cite elsewhere in the prose.
 * The club are nicknamed The Hatters after - potential speech marks for the name.
 * 1996–97 - link the season
 * away to West Ham United.[90][79] - reforder refs
 * December. [253][254] - rmv space
 * match.[256]The second leg - add space
 * League.[260][261]. A - punctuation issue
 * The "Top 10 managers in the club's history" - does this include caretaker managers? Might need to be a bit clearer.
 * League pyramid statistics - is this necessary? Doesn't feel very encylopaedic.
 * Stockport County hold the record for the best sequence of results in the Football League, winning nine matches in succession without conceding a goal - best according to whom? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for these Comments I have made amendments based off your suggestions. Also just to bring you and everyone else who may look at this nominee here is the peer review which may help with clarification of certain parts of the article. In terms of the points above, the two biggest points to me are League pyramid statistics, The "Top 10 managers in the club's history" and Stockport County record. League pyramid statistics have been removed as its sort of covered any way in the prose plus there is an image in the article showing the clubs positions over the years. The "Top 10 managers in the club's history" has been amended to state that the stats only include full time managers and not interim or caretaker managers. If this section is still felt irrelevant then I'm happy to remove it. For the section about the clean sheet record at the bottom of the article, I have added a reference and slightly re-worded. All points regarding references/punctuation have now been fixed. Wna247 (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Image review
 * Captions that are complete sentences should end in periods
 * Don't use fixed px size
 * Suggest adding alt text
 * File:Stockport_County_FC_logo.svg: FUR is incomplete
 * File:Stockport-County-1914-15-400px.jpg: it's not clear that the source site's author would be the copyright holder for this image, and even if he were the licensing of the site is not CC
 * Several of the article's other images were uploaded by a user with a history of having multiple images deleted for copyright concerns - need more evidence that these have been correctly licensed
 * File:Cheadle_End,_Edgeley_Park.jpg: the link provided by the uploader states that the image was stolen from a yearbook. Is there any evidence to support the current tagging? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the image review - I have gone through the article and removed File:Stockport-County-1914-15-400px.jpg - this image was no longer on the linked website so source info could not be checked in terms of image File:Cheadle_End,_Edgeley_Park.jpg:- YB stands for Yellowboard (the Stockport County supporters messageboard) not Yearbook but I can understand the confusion. Its not something you would understand if you wasn't a fan of the team. I cant find the original post on the messageboard where the image was from so I have removed it from the article. I have removed and replaced images from users that have had multiple images deleted for ambiguous copyright info. I have also updated the copyright info of the clubs crest. If anything is wrong or missing let me know and I will remove or replace.Wna247 (talk) 01:12, 24 May 2020 (UTC) Again thanks for this. I have now added the copyright licensing to the images I added earlier today. The Stockport Image Archive website states they have no copyright, therefore I believe its allowed to be freely used. I have also corrected the licensing for the team photograph in this case. The Patrick Norris mage I have removed from the article, I didn't upload this image and the Stockport Image Archive doesn't show who took the photo or anywhere where the image was published so I can't trace that information. I have now removed all the files from the user you mentioned previously. Hopefully the Logo FUR is now completed but again if there is anything missing let me know and I will look for the information. Wna247 (talk) 13:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Some of the captions that aren't complete sentences now have periods - those should be removed.
 * The logo's FUR is still incomplete
 * File:Wycliffe_Congregational_Church,_Heaton_Norris.jpg needs a copyright tag. Same with File:Fire_at_Stockport_County_Football_Ground.jpg, File:Stockport_County_receiving_the_Championship_Shield_in_1937.jpg
 * File:Patrick_Norris,_Stockport_County_1919–20.jpg: per the UK tag this needs to specify what research has been done to try to determine authorship, and when/where was this first published?
 * File:Stockport_County_Football_Team_1957.jpg: why is this believed to be CC-licensed?
 * There are still four images from the user I mentioned above - need more evidence that these have been correctly licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem with the tagging for the Stockport Image Archive is it states that the "copyright holder...irrevocably releases all rights to it". That is not the same as just saying the image has no copyright - we need to know specifically why to know whether that applies worldwide (specifically for our purposes in the US). Nikkimaria (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Comments from TRM
Wikicup review

Lead to –1930
That's the lead and first section briefly reviewed. Plenty to do here so I'll return once we have some progress on that. Just a heads-up, it looks to me that the history section is just too much, especially when there's a forked article already. There's also some problems with the overall balance, with a huuuuge amount on the last few years. But it's probably best to start addressing the easy things before we look at reorganising and trimming down significantly. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Suggest you link English football league system so there's some way of non-experts understanding what "fifth tier" etc means.
 * "The 1990s were the team's most successful," reads odd, maybe you mean "The 1990s was the team's most successful period,"
 * "of pupils[a][1] " jarring note/ref placement.
 * "In 2017, a local search was " feels odd to have this crowbarred into the chronology. And what were the results?
 * I would merge the first two paras of this section.
 * Isn't there a suitable link for Stalybridge?
 * "with Luton Town.[6][2] " I would re-order numerically.
 * "qualified for the FA Cup for the first time in their history—the first Lancashire Combination club to reach this stage" do you mean they reached the first round proper? It's not clear.
 * "at Green Lane to" it's not clear that this was Stockport's ground.
 * "first Football League match" link The Football League.
 * "their current home," as of 2020 per WP:ASOF.
 * "home, Edgeley Park.[3][14] At the time Edgeley Park " quick repeat.
 * "of 1903–04 they " a few of these, they're a little awkward without "season" after the year range.
 * Like "1908–09 season" although you haven't linked that one...
 * Link "scout".
 * The anecdote about Evans is all very interesting but I'm not sure why that's a considerable portion of a paragraph in a potted history of the club, especially as he doesn't even appear notable enough to have an article.
 * "n 2018, Stockpor..." again, jarringly out of order.
 * "1914 also saw ..." avoid starting sentences with a number.
 * "... Ashworth appointed as the team's first manager.[31] Ashworth would manage the team ..." repetitive prose.
 * " 1920–21 campaign " put the "campaign" inside the pipe.
 * "o Easter Weekend " no need for Weekend to be capitalised and since that could be anywhere from mid-March to late-April, I suggest you stick to  dates.
 * "The following season, (1923–24), saw" just pipe the actual season with "following season".
 * " the England national team" link.
 * Link "capped".
 * " 2-point " two-point.
 * £100 - inflate this.
 * General: what happened to County during the First World War?
 * "Stockport's and the division's leading goalscorer, contributing 38 of Stockport's 89 goals.[54] Stockport then " Stockport x 3, needs rephrasing.
 * "nine of their last 11" 9/11 or nine/eleven.
 * "he equalled a club record" who held it previously alone, seems to not be noted anywhere?


 * Thanks I have worked through your notes. Most of them being quick fixes. I have rephrased where you have mentioned to do that but again if its sound wrong or a bit too wordy then let me know. Some of the things you have brought up have been discussed in the Peer review For example The linking of Staylbridge - as posted in peer review "Regarding the 1884 match, Records show the match was against Staylbridge. I have added this in but not wikilinked because it is unclear of the Staylbridge. It wasn't Staylbridge Celtic founded in 1909 but it could have been Staylbridge Rovers who joined the Lancashire Combination in 1890 but their founding date is unclear." All the clubs historians known is that it was a team from Staylbridge. In regards to Thomas Evans, He played two seasons for the club (36 league appearances out of 38 games in each season) he also guested three times after the war. I have added this in but happy to remove. During the first world war Stockport played in the Regional War League, Lancashire Section where after a number of matches (26 in the first season and 30 in each season after) there was then a supplementary tournament (the top 6 played each other again home and away in the first season totalling 10 matches. While in subsequent seasons, Stockport played Home and away against Liverpool, Everton and Southport in the supplementary tournament. The other teams in this section would also end up playing the same teams year on year in the supplementary tournaments.) So During the first World War Stockport still played 36 matches per season. This lasted from 1915-16 to 1918-19, with 1919-20 having the football league start up again and run as it did previously. You mentioned there is a forked article on the History of the club, it is very outdated and to be fair that needs a major overhaul. I have now unlinked that history page altogether and will work on it separately. Thanks, Wna247 (talk) 12:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * EDIT - I have reworded the section on the first world war to include less about a specific player and more about the football the team played during that time. I have also cut out bits of the details from the more recent history sections, potentially more could go. Wna247 (talk) 05:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

1930– to –1999
''— No linked page but was one of two players to score a hat trick in the 13-0 win. Refer to Cas Liber’s GA Review a few years ago in regards to the 13-0 victory they asked for “date and locale for the 13–0 win over Halifax Town (did anyone score more than 3 goals in that match??)” - In this match two players scored 3 or more goals – Joe Hill (3) and Percy Downes (4) Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) ''– English football on television States that “The BBC started its television service in 1936, although it was nearly a year before the very first televised match of football was screened” with the 1938 FA Cup final between Huddersfield Town and Preston North End being the first to be screened. October 1946 saw, the first live televised football match was broadcast by the BBC from Barnet – So from this I don’t think it would have been a live match more of a news report. Looking at BBC – it looks like the BBC were broadcasting in 1922 so the 1933–34 match in question may have been a news report (There is a news report style video of that year’s final on YouTube)'' Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) ''– After checking several sources on the British Newspaper Archive, Freeman & Harnwell – Stockport County a complete record, and the official club website, it is not known how the fire was started. As mentioned all the records pre-1935 were destroyed, even the clubs historians find it difficult at times to piece certain things together especially from the very early years.'' Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) ''– Jack Connor is the only Stockport player to score that many goals for the club over any 5 season spell. I know this can be a bit confusing. Happy to discuss it but also happy to remove if deemed unnecessary.'' Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) – should be of scanned newspaper cuttings from the Liverpool Echo about the match in question Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) ''– Frankfurt was the first time Stockport had played a foreign team at home, the tour of Germany was Stockport first ever international tour (and I think first tour altogether but can’t be sure on that) and the Hamburg friendly was arranged as Trautmann’s last act as general manager of the club. Happy to remove if deemed irrelevant.''Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) – The word “Wembley” is linked to the 1923 stadium can write the word old before it if required'' Wna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC) This is a quick run through, I'm aware that I may have missed a lot so let's consider this (and above) a first pass. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "the 1933–34 season " again, pipe season too. And all the previous sections should have "season" or "campaign" or  similar  added to them.
 * "on 6 January 1934[14] included a Jo" awkward ref placement, end of sentence is fine for something as minor as the date.
 * Joe Hill is not notable?
 * "During that season" you've lost which season, as the last mentioned was Newcastle's in 1946.
 * "a club record 46" club-record.
 * " was televised" live? On the BBC?
 * "Stockport finished third in this " third that...
 * "Shortly after midday on 23 July 1935..." emphasise this was in the off-season. Also, how did it catch fire?
 * Caption for stand is fragment so no full stop required.
 * "stand at Edgeley Park burned down, also causing damage to houses opposite the stand" remove "the stand".
 * "gaining 60 points and 23 wins" might be worth a footnote here that reminds us that in those days it was two points for a win.
 * " ten-game unbeaten run of seven victories" including rather than of.
 * "1939–40 season," same as above...
 * "In 1945–46, there" ditto.
 * "whose 140 goals in five seasons are still a club record." what sort of club record? I don't think Ipswich has a club record for most goals scored in five seasons...
 * " 1957–58 campaign" same as before.
 * "defeating Luton Town (then a First Division side) " not enjoying all the parenthesised text, this could be "defeating First Division team Luton Town"
 * "Stockport also ... Stockport spent ... Stockport played" repetitive prose.
 * "Stockport County team photograph... " caption is a fragment so no need for a full stop.
 * 1964–65 FA Cup can be linked.
 * Link Anfield too.
 * "draw at Anfield after " no need to repeat the location.
 * " Stockport, then... Stockport had ... Despite Stockport's ..." again, repetitive.  If the club is unambiguous, sometimes just refer to it another way, like "the club" or "they".
 * "Despite Stockport's ability to match the 1964–65 European Cup semi-finalist" well, they matched them once only...
 * "have won[93] but" awkward placement (and I can't seem to access that source).
 * "1964–65 season..." same again. I'm not going to note this again, but sweep the article for these.
 * "then Stockport chairman" don't think you really need "then", it's a contemporary chronology.
 * " blue strip (still used today)" again, no thanks to the parentheses, and "today", see WP:ASOF.
 * You could contextualise Trautmann for those who are unaware of his pedigree.
 * Link "friendly" but not here, back up in the first main section where I missed it.
 * Unclear as the true relevance of these friendlies to the overall history of the club.
 * "Stockport did have a famous victory" says who?
 * "Alan Ogley.[104][105] Ogley's save " repetitive, perhaps just merge and say  "Ogley,  whose save..."
 * "the Associate Members' Cup (a competition that then Stockport chairman Dragan Lukic helped create)," remove the parentheses, and again, not sure "then" is needed.  And he doesn't sound like a regular Stockport businessman, any context on him?
 * " Wigan Athletic on a free transfer. Stockport also received £2,000 from Wigan for the transfer." repetitive and odd sounding, could we merge?
 * " faced a real prospect" -> "faced the prospect"
 * "and elimination from the FA Cup" no bearing on their League status.
 * " gained 45 points from their final 31 games " were we on three points for a win by now? Needs footnotes so comparing points returns season-on-season isn't misleading.
 * " quickly transforming the team" not encyclopdedic.
 * "Wembley [116] " Stadium and probably worth noting it's the old one, and no space before ref.
 * Link the 1994 play-off final.
 * "be fuming after" not encyclopedic tone.
 * " Stockport finishing with... " Stockport is mentioned too often here.
 * " worst disciplinary record in the country.... best disciplinary record " repetitive.
 * "holders Everton. Stockport drew 2–2 with Everton " repetitive.
 * "Second Division[129] and " awkward ref placement.
 * " (Blackburn Rovers,[130] Southampton[131] and West Ham United)[132]" honestly, this is the single-most grotesque series of ref placement and use of parentheses I've ever seen...!!
 * " the following 1998–99 season" either following or the year, not both.
 * "three of their final 14 " 3/14 or three/fourteen.
 * "was put in charge as first" -> "was made first"
 * "He started w" -> "His tenure started..."


 * Cheers, gone through the bulk of this now. There is still some odd things to do from this last list, such as go through everything so far checking season or campaign is in the piped links. I have added a message to your talk page to clarify a few things. As its quite a big list I may have missed one or two things. If I have missed anything blatantly obvious just give us a nudge. Wna247 (talk) 14:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * EDIT - Added some discussion points to the above comments. Happy for these to be discussed and can alter the wording or remove the statement, as requiredWna247 (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll continue to grind through the next part of it, and hopefully we'll start to develop a flavour for what should stay and what should go to the history article.  The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

2000–2010 to 2011–present
''– Ref does mention – “The official line was that the contracts of Kilner and his assistant Des Bulpin were terminated "by mutual consent", though it emerged that he was fired as a result of Saturday's 4-0 home defeat by Millwall which left County bottom of the First Division, four points behind Walsall, whom they face at Edgeley Park tonight.” The 4-0 defeat was probably the last straw but again as mentioned a run of poor results were also a factor. Happy to discuss further.'' – The Stockport specific season articles are from 1996–97, 1997–98, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04, 2007–08, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13 (the later ones are of a bit better quality that the older seasons. Not a lot of prose or references in these seasons – barring 2011–12 and 2012–13, but happy to link them if preferred. – Operating costs I believe. There was a lot of staff at Stockport at the time and payers on High wages (relative to the division) Brian Kennedy put £4 million into Stockport but with several relegations and managers since 2003 and players on large long term contracts – the squad was pretty much ripped apart and build against each season so there wasn’t any stability. Stockport were also not receiving anything from the conference and banqueting facilities or food kiosks/bars on a match day – so there only money in was through ticket sales and possible cup runs. – Had a bit of a re-word and took some things out of this and the point above, Happy to re-word further if necessary. – Unsure what you mean by this note, can you please clarify for me? ''– I have reworded this to not include this sentence but so people are aware. Stockport were in the relegation zone but Mathias didn’t set a points target and took things game by game to take the pressure off the players. Seemed to work due to upturn in results but it was probably too little too late.'' Wna247 (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "to stave off" I don't find this particularly encyclopedic in tone.
 * "turned out to be" rambling, perhaps "was".
 * "4–0 home defeat to Millwall saw manager Kilner sacked" uneasy with this assumed causality, one imagines that he was sacked because they were bottom of the league and doing so badly, and his sacking took place after this defeat, not because of it.
 * " in 2001–02[142] or build" poor ref placement and you've already linked that season.
 * I've just noticed, you're linking the generic "XX-XY in English football" articles, why not the specific league articles or Stockport season articles?
 * "After a poor start to the 2003–04 season, Palmer was sacked after ..." after after repetitive prose.
 * Probably should have linked "caretaker manager" appropriately on its first instance.
 * With all these relegations, I've clean forgotten which league they're in each time. Suggest you make it plain each time where they're getting relegated to.
 * "£4m" ->"£4million. And how?  An operating loss or a mishap?
 * "Supporters Trust, " give it its proper full title first time.
 * "football club,[152][153]" should be a full stop.
 * Is caretaker-manager hyphenated or not?
 * "League Two playoffs" there's probably a much better more specific link.
 * Is it "playoff", "play off" or "play-off"?
 * " final months with just two wins in their final" final final repeat.
 * "Gannon was approached by Brighton & Hove Albion. The approach was accepted by Stockport,[" jarring and repetitive, merge.
 * " by Stockport,[167] but after talks with the chairman of Brighton, Gannon rejected the job and stayed at Stockport" repeat of Stockport jarring too. Reword.
 * "Due to Stockport's financial situation, Sale Sharks paid for Stockport's policing bill for their home match against Oldham Athletic.[170] On 30 April 2009, Stockport County was placed" presumably these incidents happened in quick succession but that's unclear.
 * "into administration[171] following" awkward ref placement.
 * "a battle to" not encyclopedic tone.
 * Manchester City is overlinked.
 * Why initialise CVA and not use it?
 * "Gary Ablett, former manager of Liverpool reserves," well he was a long-term professional player before being manager of Liverpool reserves, that's what he'd be better known as.
 * "had still not taken over the club, and in fact never did. " not sparkling prose here, reword.
 * "December 2009, saw " why the comma? And would be better to say something like "In December 2009..."
 * "In March 2010 it "-> "The following March.."
 * "self-styled '2015 Group' of " what does "self-styled" add here?
 * "was dismissed[180] after one of the poorest seasons in the club's history" awkward ref placement, and poorest by what measure?
 * "Simpson as manager.[183][184] Simpson was" quick repeat of Simpson.
 * "the chaotic period " POV.
 * "only two months, as the chaotic period at the club continued; in March 2011, after only" only, only, both times it's POV too.
 * "in very real danger of relegation," instead of euphemism here, why not say what position they were in, points from safety, games to go etc?

The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The above comments have now all been amended and again I have left in line comments for things up for discussion or clarification. I have also changed the images on the article to free licensed ones (Barring the clubs logo as there is no free equivalent) Wna247 (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Non-league era
''– The board at the time gave Evans the power to run the club while his bid was in progression as they were confident it would go through. Tony Evans was even highlighted as 'Stockport County Chairman' on TV at the first match of that season. At that point he hadn't took over and pulled his bid in November that year.'' – Not understanding what you mean here could you please clarify ''– Taken from the articles talk page. A version of this article was copy edited by Twofingered Typist, a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, on 12 May 2020.'' There are a lot of basic issues here, not to mention the vast amount of prose which needs to be hived off into the History article. I'm okay with continuing this review but I think it really  really needs to be punted back to a peer review and a copyeditor who is familiar with football club FAs. Take a look at Liverpool F.C. for example, the history section there is 1,650 words while the section in this article is 4,378. And I think you'd agree that Liverpool's history probably has more to discuss. So I would aim to get the section in this article down to 2,000 words maximum and preserve the rest in the history article. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Usually it's non-League rather than non-league, see Non-League football.
 * "However, before the pre-season campaign got underway, he was dismissed when a Liverpool-based businessman tried—and ultimately failed—to buy the club" I don't understand. If he didn't buy the club, how could he have got the existing manager dismissed?  This is unclear.
 * " Hamann.[193] Hamann, who" repetitive.
 * "won only three of" remove only.
 * Please see MOS:ELLIPSIS for how to use ellipses correctly. And that quote  is a little odd, stuck in the middle of prose.
 * "seemed in danger of a third successive relegation" according to whom?
 * " meeting after a home match in November 2011[196] This meeting" repetitive and clunky.
 * "for Jim Gannon," no need to repeat first names if the individual has been noted prior and is unambiguous.
 * Our article is called 2011–12 Football Conference, not "Conference National" at all. Link the season article and use  common nomenclature.
 * "of the 2012-13 season" should be an en-dash, per MOS.
 * "turmoil soon returned to the club" Editorialising.
 * "chief executive officer at the club, becoming the youngest CEO" repetitive CEO.
 * How old?
 * Our article on Darije Kalezić says he's Swiss, not Bosnian.
 * "Kalezić was dismissed" quick repeat of surname and no need, just "He was..."
 * "However, the difficulties did not stop there for County" editorialising.
 * "CEO McKnight " no need to repeat he's CEO.
 * " 2013–14 season.[217] with a " comma here instead of a full stop?
 * "statement about the" describing the.
 * Now, at this point it's safe to say that I think the history section is about three times too long. Things like the above, a "statement" being released in 2015, is that really something that you believe fits in an article about the club?  This kind of thing really needs to go in the History of Stockport County F.C. and not here.
 * "with other clubs" such as?
 * " to Jim Gannon, who" see above, no need to repeat Jim.
 * " flirted with the playoffs " journalese and link playoffs appropriately.
 * "seasons,[230][231]. " punctuation fail - did you say this had been copyedited?
 * "descendants of the club's founders. While none of the descendants came forward, stories were uncovered about the founders" repetitive descendants/founders.
 * "a happier season" POV.
 * " 1-0 away against Barnet" scorelines need to use en-dash per MOS. But are we really going to include individual match scorelines in one match in one season in a potted history of the club?  It should be in the History article... This is WP:RECENTISM.
 * "season[239][240] " punctuation.
 * " A Championship parade " why "Championship"?
 * "Also In 2018, Stockport" in, not In.
 * "first world war" First World War.
 * "(RAF)" no need, you don't use it.
 * Happy for you to carry on if you wish. Having seen all your notes I got the feeling myself that a lot of issues that should have been picked up at the peer review stage were not. I will action your notes on the article initially then look at cutting the history section down to around 2,000 words. Wna247 (talk) 11:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Comments from Cas Liber
Leaving this here as a placeholder. So things don't get too "busy", I'll wait till my two predecessors are satisfied - I trust both their judgements and it'll make my job simpler :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Coord note
This is looking more like a Peer Review than a FAC so I think best that further work take place elsewhere -- in consultation with the reviewers here if they're willing -- and then bring it back here for another go after a minimum of two weeks has passed. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 08:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)