Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Streetlight Manifesto/archive1

Streetlight Manifesto
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Self nomination. I think this article is reasonably detailed and sourced, as well as being well written and stable. The band are also quite notable within their genre. Both images have acceptible copyright status. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 19:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Support Well written and concise, a deserving subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.7.166.169 (talk • contribs) 04:46, Jan 16, 2006 (UTC)

Oppose:
 * All good articles about music should have sound samples, even if they are just fair-use. This isn't an official guideline but I think it is necessary, especially in this case since so many people who aren't music fans might not have an idea what "third-wave ska" sounds like at all. I think all, or nearly all, of our current music FAs have sound samples.
 * Damn I've been meaning to add one for a while, thanks for reminding me. I've added a sample of the first track from their album, which is also availble in full from the record label website for free, should I upload a full OGG Vorbis version or just link to the mp3? &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 12:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The lead says they did not record or perform live until 2003, but the infobox gives 2002 as the earliest year they were "active." Did they just form and then rehearse before late 2003?
 * They recorded a demo EP in 2002 and sent it to record labels. The lead just says they didn't release an album or perform live until 2003. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * most notably Tomas Kalnoky, Jamie Egan, Mike Soprano, and Josh Ansley, from Catch 22 and One Cool Guy's Stuart Karmatz, Pete Sibilia, Dan Ross and Chris Paszik. Not sure I understand this: The first four musicians are from Catch 22 and the last four are from One Cool Guy? Or is it just Karmatz who is from One Cool Guy and just Ansley who played in Catch 22?
 * First 4 Catch 22 last 4 One Cool Guy &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reworded it to: most notably Catch 22's Tomas Kalnoky, Jamie Egan, Mike Soprano, and Josh Ansley, as well as One Cool Guy's Stuart Karmatz, Pete Sibilia, Dan Ross, and Chris Paszik., how's that? &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * "Audio interview by Tyler Rodgers on 2003-12-20" is cited as a source. Was this for a radio show, a podcast, or just a case of a Wikipedian talking to Kalnoky? Is a recording available to the public?
 * According to the mp3 file I have for it, it is for "Charles Bronson radio 90.5 WCVH in Flemington" &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to say "Audio interview by Tyler Rodgers for Charles Bronson Radio on 2003-12-20" and included a link to a copy of the mp3 file I host. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * When listening to their first album, Everything Goes Numb the similarities between it and Keasbey Nights are obvious, particularly in the case of the third track, "Point/Counterpoint" with is similar to "Keasbey Nights", also the third track of Keasbey. I'm not sure what the second half means at all. And are the songs musically similar, or just similar because their lyrics are interlinked?
 * I've rewritten that paragraph for clarity and also to include more information. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The section titles labeled "Robbed!" and "Again!" are not in an encyclopedic style-- too jokey. They should probably be combined into a single heading "Robbed" or "Thefts" or something like that (with no exclamation point).
 * Fixed &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The picture of the band should be near the top and should be larger.
 * Moved to top of history section and increased size to 450px &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * From the image summary: "Modification work by unknown (Mark Brown's head has been put onto Dan Ross' body)" What? Why?
 * I believe either someone from the band or someone at Victory did it so they would have a promotional photo with current line-up on. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A photo of the band playing live should not be hard to get.
 * I've asked at the message board, which is where the photographer of this public domain photo of Tomas Kalnoky can be found so hopefully he will be willing to provide a similarly licensed group action shot. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 13:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There is now 1 shot of them performing live, and I think there should be a second one soon. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Second photo has been added. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 00:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Andrew Levine 00:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've written a new section from old commented out info I forgot about. You can find it here. &mdash; Ian Moody (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Object: According to the criteria I am working on at the Featured Music Project, this article fails:
 * 1) Lead - 1, 2, 3, 4: Needs to be expanded
 * 2) Comprehensiveness - 2, 4: Needs organization of info, and expansion if possible; has anyone been influenced by the band?
 * 3) Sales - 1, 2, 3, 4: Does not mention sales
 * 4) Pictures - 2: Pic under history way too big, need fair use rationales
 * 5) Audio - 3, 4: Need more, need captions
 * 6) References - 3, 4, maybe 2: Sources don't look comprehensive or authoritative -- can't tell which, if any, were used to write the history section
 * 7) Discography - If it includes all recorded works by the band, then it meets all criteria
 * 8) Format/Style - 1, 2, 3, 4: Needs copyedit, external links don't all look relevant, no citations for most of history, no content directly under "History"
 * Tuf-Kat 21:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak support. This article is probably the best resource available on Streetlight Manifesto. While the Featured Music Project is interesting, none of the current featured articles meet all the criteria, and as said this article is reasonably detailed -- although it should mention something about sales, whether irrelevant or not. Punkmorten 19:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)