Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Super Meat Boy/archive3


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ucucha 16:59, 30 January 2012.

Super Meat Boy

 * Nominator(s):  Pres N  23:59, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Alright, take 3 for this troublesome indie video game. The last FAC died out due to a lack of comments, which wasn't helped by the fact that I was out of the country and it was the winter holidays. It's been two weeks, so lets give it another go! It was copyedited by the WP:GOCE before the first time, as well as beat on in the last two FACs; all of the refs are working and archived, and it has alt text and no redirects. It got source reviews the last two times, and a media review in the first FAC. I addressed everything that came up in the last FAC, so hopefully this will be the last respawn. -- Pres N  23:59, 17 January 2012 (UTC) (Not a wikicup nom, as most of the work was done last year)


 * Support I was busy and forgot to support. ♫GoP♫ T C N  10:41, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I got busy and didn't ask people to come back. Thanks for reviewing it last time! -- Pres N  18:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support My only minor complaint is in the Reception section, websites is split into two as "web sites", despite the fact that in the article, it says that it is also spelled like that; I just rarely see it split into two words-SCB &#39;92 (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed, and thank you. -- Pres N  21:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support; I think I remember seeing this at FAC before, but didn't bother commenting then. Anyway, it looks to be in good condition. Good job. Tezero (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing! -- Pres N  21:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support from a Grammar Nazi. I only had to make one minor change to the article for grammar, and it wasn't really even grammar-related. Truly an excellent article! Inter  change  able | talk to me  01:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing! I agree with your change, as well. -- Pres N  01:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comments from Mark Arsten at 03:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC): Alright, the article looks pretty good to me. I'm not familiar with video game articles (and am a beginner at FAC) so I can't comment too much on some aspects of this. Here are some thoughts though:
 * Check the use of "Due to" vs "Because of"
 * Check for the use of the noun + -ing construction.
 * "They had four months' worth of work left to complete on the game, so, for the final two months, they worked daily, slept five hours a night, and frequently forgot to eat—a process that McMillen said he "would never voluntarily go through" again." What do you think about rephrasing this so it's a shorter sentence/has less punctuation?
 * "These warp zones feature bonus levels that have either the art style of older video games and a limit of three lives, or are patterned after another indie video game.[1] The player may control characters other than Meat Boy, many of whom first appeared in other independent video games." Maybe note examples of the other games here?
 * Is the Commander Video you mention in the article the same as Commander Video? Maybe link him if it is.
 * "They felt the replay feature transformed death in the game into a form of reward." I think you could probably cut out "in the game" here.
 * Thanks for the review! Addressed all of these concerns; I find the "noun+ing" constructions hard to spot, so thanks for the link to Tony's guide on them. No worries about not being familiar with video game articles; an FA is supposed to be accessible to all readers, not just video game article editors. -- Pres N  04:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Finished reading the article, other than some small word choice or punctuation issues I think the article is fine. The first paragraph of the Reception section didn't seem to flow that well for me, but I can't think of any good ways to fix it. Some real small comments:
 * "Official Xbox Magazine (UK)'s Mike Channel appreciated the variety found in each set of levels." Why do you note the location here?
 * OXM UK and US, while both called just "Official Xbox Magazine" and sharing an owning company, are entirely different magazines, with different reviewers. -- Pres N  23:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * "Joe Leonard of 1UP.com noted that the game's humor and over-the-top gameplay help to calm frustrations regarding the difficulty. "Super Meat Boy's greatest strength has to be how it never takes itself too seriously—as maddening as some of the levels got, I could never stay angry at the game for too long," said Leonard." Maybe condense to one sentence with a colon?
 * "On January 11, 2011, Baranowsky and Team Meat released a special edition soundtrack on Bandcamp as both a downloadable and physical release." Could you rephrase to avoid "released... release"? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "The PC version has a "Super Meat World" section, which allows users to play and rate additional levels that players have created with a level editor, released in May 2011." Maybe try to rephrase this to make it clearer what "released in May 2011" refers to? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * All addressed; except for one comment above. -- Pres N  23:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. What makes this a high-quality reliable source? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, every issue that I could spot has been fixed, good job PresN! I am more than willing to Support on prose/presentation/MOS criteria. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you didn't complain about it last time. Game Set Watch is owned/run by UBM TechWeb as a sister site to the RS Gamasutra. UBM also runs Game Developer magazine, the Game Developers Conference, and the Independent Games Festival. -- Pres N  00:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What kind of editorial oversight or fact-checking policy do they have for this site? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh, can't find one, though the author is the head editor of the site. Replaced with a PC Gamer article. -- Pres N  03:50, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Images check out. Both are non-free, but both are accompanied by detailed rationales and clearly meet the NFCC. J Milburn (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - I remember Meat Boy from when it was just a mediocre free-to-play flash game. Then again, I remember Kongregate from before it sold out and became a paid advertising platform for Scion. I guess that makes me, in terms of flash gamers, exceedingly old. Good article, short and easy read. Although I normally don't support FACs (I just don't feel qualified), I can't find anything wrong with this and I'd hate to see it die only from inattention twice in a row. (After all, there are so many other better ways for Meat Boy to die ).  S ven M anguard   Wha?  23:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review! And you're not that old, I remember finding the old Kongregate back in the day too. -- Pres N  00:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The sentence "The WiiWare version was canceled as a result of the challenge of meeting the file size limitations imposed by Nintendo, primarily due to the expansion in the size of the game from the initial proposal." has too many nouns in it, and I'm not quite sure what it means. And why the "primarily"? Would something like "The WiiWare version was canceled because the game's file size was expanded beyond the limits imposed by Nintendo." work? Ucucha (talk) 20:49, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well sure, if you want it to be easily readable instead of obtuse. Done. -- Pres N  03:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


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