Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Hardy Boys/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 17:33, 9 June 2009.

The Hardy Boys

 * Nominator(s): Ricardiana (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article status because it recently passed GA with a detailed and helpful review, and still more recently received a peer review that was likewise filled with thoughtful comments and helpful suggestions. I believe that the article now fulfills the FA criteria, but if I'm wrong, this process will help me improve the article further. Ricardiana (talk) 01:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wonder if it is possible to somehow link to "Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" as this episode blatantly spoofed them and it demonstrates their reception in popular culture, specifically supporting the claim in the lead of "homeerotic overtones." Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 02:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, but when I looked for reliable sources, I couldn't find any that I thought would count as reliable. Do you have any suggestions? You're right, it would be a helpful addition. Ricardiana (talk) 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll check. Also, I see "Jerry Gilroy" is redlinked.  Perhaps this can be imported to Wikipedia and we can improve from there?  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 02:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And I've checked. Maybe, this from Google News, which if you check the full article notes "gay references to 'The Hardly Boys' (a play on the 'The Hardy Boys' series).  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 02:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I can't read the whole article; it says "Free Trial", which I'm investigating right now. Also, it appears to be from a college newspaper - do you think that will count as a reliable source? It didn't show up in any of the databases I usually use. So far I've checked: Google Books, Google Archive News Search, Lexis Nexis, Access World News, MLA, JStor, and Project Muse. ~ About Jerry Gilroy - you're the expert on articles like this; your idea sounds fine to me. Best, Ricardiana (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We would need an admin to import here and again, upon importing, I will gladly almost immediately begin expansion using Google Books results. Also, this one says, ""Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" is inspired by all the 9/11 conspiracies that propagated after the event (and also has one of the funniest Hardy Boys parodies I have ever seen)."  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 03:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: Gilroy - sounds good to me. ~ Is tvsquad.com a reliable source? Also, I tried signing up for the "FREE!" trial and they want my credit card info. I don't want to give that out. Since you seem to have the whole article, could you post it on my talk-age or wiki-email it to me, by any chance? I would greatly appreciate it. Best, Ricardiana (talk) 03:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Article needs an WP:ENDASH fix throughout citations (I haven't looked at text); pls ask to run his script to correct dashes.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've put in a request at Brighterorange's talk page. Ricardiana (talk) 19:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Brighterorange kindly ran his tool on the refs and citations; I have checked the text of the entire article. Everything should be OK now. Ricardiana (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - I looked through the article when Nancy Drew was at FAC, and thought it FA status already from a glance. Since the above concerns are now over and done with, I can withhold my support nay longer.  ceran  thor 15:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I have watched closely as this article has gone from "B class" to a "GA", and definitely think this article is worthy FA status. One thing I might point out, is that, I think, "premise" would be a better name for the section currently entitled "characters". WHLfan (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, WHLfan - I'll change that in just a second. Ricardiana (talk) 17:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed. Ricardiana (talk) 17:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support: I'm pleased to support this interesting and well-written article, which I believe meets the criteria. I thought the article was excellent when I peer-reviewed it recently, and it has gotten better since then. All of my concerns have been addressed, although on a re-read today, I saw two minor things I had not noticed before. Neither prevents my support, but I thought I should mention them. (1) In the quote in the "Ghostwriters" section, "roughly equivalent to two month's wages for a typical newspaper reporter... ", shouldn't it be "months' " rather than "month's"? (2) In the "1927–1959" section, the first four lines of the Burgess blockquote bump into the blue quote box. This bumping might not occur on all computer monitors, but it looks odd on mine. Could the layout be tweaked a bit to eliminate the bumping? Perhaps the blue box could be made wider and shorter? Finetooth (talk) 02:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, great catches, Finetooth! You're absolutely right about the apostrophe. I'll fix that in a second. The blue box looks okay on my computer, but you're right, it should look good on all monitors. I'll try making the box wider and shorter, as you suggest - I'll post here when I've done that. Please let me know how it looks. Ricardiana (talk) 17:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Changes made - let me know what you think about the width of the blue box. Thanks, Ricardiana (talk) 17:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All fixed. It looks fine. Finetooth (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.keeline.com/Hardy_Boys.pdf (I'm guessing this is a HB scholar, but we need some sort of proof for this...)
 * As discussed during Awadewit's GA review, Keeline has published a number of articles on the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew. He is indexed in the MLA International Bibliography. Ricardiana (talk) 19:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * http://www.justadventure.com/Press_Releases/HardyBoysTreasureDS_Oct2_08.shtm (lacks a publisher too. May be reliable if you can find it on the Sega site itself or on PR sites)
 * Changed to SEGA site link; added publisher. Ricardiana (talk) 19:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:11, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment – My only complaint is that every paragraph in Premise begins with The Hardy Boys. I'd like to see at least one of them changed to provide some variety. Besides that, I think it's a top-notch article.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 00:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed beginning of third para. Ricardiana (talk) 00:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Images: There are only two images in the article. File:Stratemeyerposing.jpg is listed as public domain/pre 1923, all fields are filled out, shouldn't be any issues. The other image is File:Hbtt1rev.jpg (nonfree), but I think the fair use rationale holds up. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 16:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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