Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 00:34, 18 April 2008.

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Self-nomination. I'm nominating this article for featured article because I think it has become a concise, well-written, grammatically pristine, and overall informative article on an extremely important topic in video games. Voyaging(talk) 00:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: either close and archive the peer review, or withdraw the FAC.  Article can't be listed simultaneously at both places.  I'll check back to see what you decided. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Peer review archived. Voyaging(talk) 15:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * What makes http://www.rpgamer.com/ a reliable source?
 * Likewise http://www.n-sider.com/index.php?
 * And http://www.zeldauniverse.net/?
 * http://www.zeldawiki.org/Fire_Temple is a wiki. (also the ref is missing publisher information). Granted its isn't exactly controversial information it is supporting.
 * CUrrent ref 44 (N64 Magazine Top Scored Games) Is referencing a wikipedia article. In fact, one that has a tag on it saying it doesn't cite any sources. Definitely NOT a reliable source here.
 * What makes http://www.el33tonline.com/ a reliable source?
 * Current ref 57 (Balric "Without a fairy...) is lacking last access date
 * the links all checked out using the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed all the unreliable sources and added an access date on that last one. Thanks for the info! I'll try to look for reliable sources if any of that info is controversial. Voyaging(talk) 01:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, I believe the RPG gamer is considered a reliable source. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to replace the sources rather than just drop them. Obviously someone thought the information needed a source. I'm not sure that the rpggamer, n-sider and zeldauniverse aren't reliable, I was asking what made them reliable. Ealdgyth - Talk 03:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe N-sider is reliable... igordebraga ≠ 15:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Oppose:
 * Conditional Support;
 * the re-releases section needs more references
 * put references next to all the scores in the video game scores box
 * add in the information from the audio section of The Legend of Zelda (series) article about how Ocarinas became popular because of this game. There is also information in there about Ocarina of Time to add.
 * add some information about the music in the reception section, for good or bad
 * Per the instructions at FAC, this shouldn't be under peer review while also an FAC.
 * Removed peer review. Voyaging(talk) 16:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * In the lead caption you've used a hyphen to represent a dash. WP: DASH&mdash;spaced endashes or unspaced emdashes
 * That's a spaced endash. Voyaging(talk) 16:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's just a hyphen from the looks of it, unless I'm mistaken. Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  17:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The same caption should not have a full stop at the end as it's not a full sentence. Do for other captions where this applies.
 * All fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Ocarina of Time is the start of The Legend of Zelda series' timeline". Probably should reword to say that its chronological setting forms the start of the timeline.
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Triforce, an omnipotent sacred relic". Omnipotence can't really be attributed to the object as it's just an object. You could say that it makes the wielder omnipotent, if that is correct.
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Lead needs to be expanded slightly to mention development, gameplay and music.
 * The wikipedia article of 3D doesn't actually hyphenate it, so it probably shouldn't be done here. I don't know if one is more acceptable than the other, though.
 * "In combat, the player can cause Link to focus on an enemy". I'd change "cause" with soemthing like "direct" here or something similar. Just for the sake of better English, and to emphasise that the player is controlling link.
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Although much of the game is spent in battle, some parts encourage the player to use stealth". Unless I'm wrong, the player is forced to use stealth here.
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Relating to stealth, I really don't see the point in listing the instances in which this happens.
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Link is thrown out". Probably need to reword this, he is not literally thrown out, is he?
 * Deleted this sentence. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 17:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Link gains strength and new abilities by collecting items and weapons found". Maybe misleading when it comes to strength&mdash;this is not an RPG in which he has a growing value for this. Maybe subsitutte strength with heart points and health?
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 17:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't introduce the aspect of the horse as a result of a sidequest; it may be better to treat it as a gameplay element in its own right here.
 * "This mechanism was expanded for future games and is now common in the Zelda series." Which mechanism, riding a horse? Do you mean future games in general or future Zelda games? I thought this was only featured again in TP, so how does that warrant the statement?
 * Fixed. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 17:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

A decent article, but "Reception" needs expanding and the prose could do with some clean-up. Ashnard <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  15:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Ocarina of Time is set in Hyrule, a fictional kingdom surrounding Hyrule Castle". Firstly, I thought Hyrule Castle was actually in Hyrule. Secondly, what's the point in referring to a fictional place by stating its location in relation to one of its constitutents, which is no more well known than itself.
 * As I've said in countless other FACs, I think the story section is too long, but this seems to be the norm among video game articles. Don't mind me if I can't drag myself to analyse the section.
 * Try to cut out the passive voice where possible, you know: "Nintendo first showed OoT as a technical demo at" rather than "Ocarina of Time was first shown as a technical demo".
 * "Nintendo originally intended the game for the Nintendo 64DD peripheral". "intended the game for" means nothing. At least put "to be compatible with" or something like that.
 * "on a cartridge". as a cartridge?
 * Nevermind about this. Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  19:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "According to an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto". Just put "according to Shigeru Miyamoto" instead of stating the interview.
 * "golden plastic card affixed reading "Collector's Edition". Is it me or does this not make sense? "with the"?
 * I know whgat it's supposed to mean now. If you want to keep it in its current format, put a comma after "affixed" and change "reading" to "with the words" or "stating". Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  19:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "IGN reported that some retail employees were unsure if Nintendo would be able to fulfill the initial demand". I think we're entering into the realms of trivia here. The concept had already been established.
 * The last paragraph of this section is unsourced, probably trivial, and just seems like original research.
 * "harder to beat". Obvioulsy needs rewording for grammatical correctness/remove informality.
 * "occur (this includes the use of the Stone of Agony)." Jargon. Will leave the general reader none-the-wiser.
 * The last few sentences of this section is also unsourced trivia. However, it may be useful if there is relevant, verifiable justification for why these changes were made. Religious reasons for the Fire Temple etc.
 * "The music is inspired by a wide array of influences, as exemplified in its diversity from cartoon-like music in the Kokiri Forest to Spanish flamenco in the Gerudo Valley." Source? Same for the subsequent sentences.
 * Reserve any reference to the critical reception of the music to the "Reception" section.
 * The last paragraph of "Audio" needs a source to stay up there.
 * For game of this stature, the size of "Reception" is very disappointing. Expand to mention each feature individually, such as graphics, muisc etc.

Opppose Well, it's a well written article, but is what I would've liked to see: That's about it.  RC-0722 247.5/ 1  16:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * More pictures of actual gameplay and/or cutscenes.
 * As stated above, the reception section needs a little tweaking.
 * Expand the Audio section a little.
 * Add a date stating when the re-releases came out.

It is a well written article with lot of good information, but it would be nice to see a few parts of it expanded, especially the Setting section and the Reference section, as well as adding some screenshots of actual gameplay in the Story section. Skittlesrgood4uTalk Page/Contributions/Sandbox 20:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support
 * Oppose for now: good, but needs some work (if some of the following concerns above are repeated by me, forgive me):
 * "Ocarina of Time's chronological setting forms the start of The Legend of Zelda series' timeline, when young Link"- you say Link is 10 or 11, so he's obviously "young". I'm also worried about this sentence because it presumes familiarity with the series and who link is, who you only talk about in the next sentence.
 * Young Link and Link are two different entities. He travels forward in time several years in the game, making him older. Only young Link is 10 or 11. I reworded it to make it more obvious. I also reordered the sentences to make it more understandable. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 15:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Ocarina of Time is the fifth game in The Legend of Zelda series and the first with 3-D graphics." seems out of place in the last paragraph where you're talking about reception
 * The paragraph's topic is not reception, but what makes the game important or notable. It was the first Zelda game with 3-D graphics. It is the fifth in the Zelda series, a very important video game series. It received extreme commercial and critical success. They all fit together to explain the game's importance. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 15:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Although much of the game is spent in battle, some parts require the use of stealth—an uncommon situation for the series." - citation?
 * Removed the last part of the sentence, sorta original research it seems. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 15:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Side quests were expanded for future Zelda games and are now common in the series." - citation?
 * Again, removed. No way anyone will find a reference for something like that. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 15:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "like all games in the series, Ocarina of Time has several optional side quests, or minor objectives, that the player can choose to complete or ignore" - citation?
 * "After completing certain tasks, Link can travel freely between the two time periods by replacing and taking the sword." - citation?
 * Basically, I'm concerned gameplay is undercited and a bit too short for the game- elaborate!
 * "Link also meets Zelda's handmaid and bodyguard, the Sheikah Impa." - out of place in the plot, improve flow
 * Removed. Definitely out of place and unnecessary. <b style="color:midnightblue; font-family:Trebuchet MS;">Voyaging</b><sup style="color:teal;">(talk) 16:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

-- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 00:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "After Link kills the boss of Dodongo's Cavern, Darunia gives him the Goron's Ruby, symbolizing brothership" - see? this is what I'm talking about. Bosses are central to all LoZ games, and yet nothing was said about them until now.
 * Soundtrack- format that list of tracks and make it two columns and hideable, if you must include it.
 * Images- how does a picture of Zelda and Link or a picture of Ganondorf significantly help the reader's understanding? You have to justify their non-free use in the rationales.
 * Reception - I feel this is too short for what is often considered the greatest Zelda game of all time. Where's information on the cultural impact of this title?


 * Oppose. The citation needed's should be addressed, as well as the unfortunately short reception section.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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