Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess/archive3


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:Gary King 19:26, 10 January 2009.

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
previous FAC (21:25, 13 May 2008)

The article is part of a featured topic and the most recent console entry in the highly acclaimed Legend of Zelda series. The game was a launch game for the Wii system. The article is stable, well written, and has improved since the last FA nomination. If anyone disagrees, I will help make the needed changes since the game is deserving enough to be a FA.  TJ   Spyke   05:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

I applaud you for wanting to bring the article to FAC once more; I've been working on this article for a while and it's nice to see it's here again. I've been planning to work some more on this article soon; as it stands now, is still has issues. Nice job so far, but I think that it's still too soon for FAC.


 * There are a few [citation needed]s
 * Several awards in the Reception box aren't used, so they should be removed. It's not intended to be simply a score aggregator.
 * Is there any more sales information? By the looks of it, the one sentence that talks about sales is worldwide; what about United States and Japan separately, at the least? And, the game's ranking among versus other games?
 * Reception is several small paragraphs; the review ones should be merged.
 * A few unreferenced paragraphs in Gameplay and Plot sections.
 * The image captions that are not sentences should not have periods.
 * How about using track listing for the tracks?
 * A few of the references are dead links.
 * "who cited fantasy" – "which cited fantasy"
 * "Its story focuses" – "The game's story focuses" – it's ambiguous as to what the "it" is referring to: Twilight Princess, or the ESRB?
 * "hundreds of years after " – "hundreds of years after the events of"
 * "The game was hailed by many major publications"
 * There could be a few more useful links, like in "cel-shaded The Wind Waker"

There are a few more issues; this is just to start off with. Gary King ( talk ) 16:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on criterion 3 - There are only fair use images in this article and none of their rationales are sufficient. I would suggest looking at this dispatch on non-free images for help with these images, particularly the section at the bottom on "purposes of use". might also be helpful in selecting good fair use images for this article, as he is familiar with video games and the image-use guidelines. Awadewit (talk) 16:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * File:TP Wii.jpg - Could you explain a bit more clearly why this is the best packaging to have in the infobox. What does this mean, exactly: "This particular version of the game, while technically not the original, was released first. Thus, this cover is more appropriate in representing the game."
 * File:Zelda - Twilight Princess - stab.jpg - I don't see the need for this image. The stated "purpose of use" is: "Used to illustrate the L-targeting feature of the game". However, the article only discusses the Z-targeting system (I assume there is a difference).
 * File:Zeldatp-screens (120).jpg - The purpose of use is: "Used to illustrate the wolf form feature of the game". However, WP:NFC has a standard far higher than illustration. The article does a fine job of describing the character changing into a wolf. I'm unconvinced that we need this image.
 * File:Zelda - Twilight Princess - Twilight Realm.jpg - The source for this image is "the game" - does that mean it is a screenshot the uploader took himself? The purpose of use for this image says: "Used to illustrate the Twilight Realm of the game, the wolf form, and the artistic style of the game", however in my quick skim of the article, I didn't see any text about the artistic style of the game related to this image. Could you add some to justify this image?
 * File:ZeldaTP-WiiRemoteExample.jpg - This has an incomplete fair use rationale and I find its use dubious. I think the caption does a good job of explaining this feature - integrating that text into the article will be sufficient. I don't see a need for the image.


 * I am withdrawing the nomination for now so the article can continue to be improved.  TJ   Spyke   16:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I withdrew it. Gary King  ( talk ) 19:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
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