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Thierry Henry
Well written article. Details abou the man and the player. Not to listy either. Every detail needed about him is there. Jimmmmmmmmm 14:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC) Jimmmmmmmmm 15:44 14th July 2006

Comment—I'm glad to see that the text of the article is better than that of the nomination above (one typo, one grammatical error, one awkward phrase). However, the punctuation in the article could do with an audit, and in other respects the prose isn't brilliant. For example, commas would be nice in the sentence below after "first" and "however", and perhaps the comma after "games" should be a semicolon. "Since" appears twice in the final clause, making the construction circular.


 * "At first some doubted whether he was cut out for the English Premiership, failing to score in his first ten games, however since first finding the net he has flourished ever since."

What does "one" refer to here?
 * "In the seven seasons he has been at Arsenal, Henry has been the club's top goalscorer for every single one.

Comma before "instead" or "because", or both.


 * Thierry was put on the left wing by Wenger instead of playing his natural role of striker because the striker position was already occupied by ..."

"2005–06" is used, so why not abbreviate the other year ranges, such as "1992–1993"?

A few redundant uses of "also". Tony 15:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done some copyediting to address the first two points. On the fourth, all descriptions of seasons in the article are abbreviated like "2005-06", but all other refences to time periods are written out fully, so the article is not inconsistent in that regard. --David Mestel(Talk) 16:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I think this subtle distinction between seasons and year ranges is not worth making. Please go for simple consistency: avoid repeating the century digits and use an en dash. Tony 02:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Object. Jeronimo 17:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This article has barely any references (inline or not).
 * Organisation is poor. Trivia should be incorporated in text or left out, there's a "honours" and an "awards" section, and the "Family" section can barely be called a section at all.
 * Trivia entries are usually not very suitable for FAs, but the final one here is particularly silly, considering Henry played only in two World Cups, and that France did not score in 2002.
 * Statistics are inconsistent. Just as an example, the sidetable at the top says Henry played 20 matches for Juventus, while the text says 12. The extended table below says 20 as well, but composes this of 16 + 1 + 1.
 * The accolades at the bottom seem rather random. Why is there one for Arsenal's current team, but not for last season's? Why two for Henry's World Cups, but not for his two European Championships?
 * Not NPOV: e.g. "spectacular play".


 * Note Right firstly. The trivia part of your objection is wrong Henry has played in the last three World Cups. Secondly why sould there be a section for last season Arsenal squad? I undertstand about the European and World cup and they need adding but only the current squad needs including or would you have the last 7 since he joined?Jimmmmmmmmm 19:12 14th July 2006
 * I still think it's rather random to have the 2006/2007 season team (which hasn't played a match yet) listed, but not any of the other teams he played in. Jeronimo 05:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Another point the text says he started 12 games for Juventus. He played 20 in total but only started 12. You obviouosly didn't really read it properly. Jimmmmmmmmm 18:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I did read it, and "started" could be considered ambiguous. Anyway, noticed you fixed up the other counts though. Jeronimo 05:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment
 * This is old, obviously, but for future reference, I thought these points ought to be addressed. The article definitely needs a lot of work to reach featured status. Until recently, World Cup squads were the only international squad boxes used. They were originally started only for the 2006 World Cup season - not intended as permanent fixtures.  Less prestigious tournaments have only just been added, and add even more clutter to the bottom of articles.  It's been proposed that they be removed (along with the WC squads).  International team rosters for such competitions as the Euro (and World Cup, for that matter) can be found with the articles for those tournaments.  Listing the squads for every competition would be excessive.  Should we include the Olympics as well?  Young tournaments like the FIFA World Youth Championship?  The line has to be drawn somewhere.  For club rosters, only the current squad is displayed.  Again, including the squad list for every unique roster he's been on would be absurd.  That would be at least one and often two rosters per season (because rosters often change in the January transfer window as well).  If you have concerns about these squad boxes (international or club), a discussion should be opened on WikiProject Football as this is the format used for all players on Wikipedia.
 * "Started" is not an ambiguous term in sports. It means he was in the starting lineup for those games - that is, not on the touchline as a substitute.  It is also a relevant statistic given his short stay and criticized performance at Juventus.  Substitutes in football usually come on in the second half, so the number of games he started - not necessarily the number of games he simply played in (starts + substitute appearances) - gives a clearer indication of the amount of playing time he was given to adapt to the new league.
 * Henry has played in three World Cups. 1998, 2002, and 2006. Slow Graffiti 05:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Object. Too many lists and short paragraphs. Text is choppy. Though not a requirement, could do with more pictures. RyanG e rbil10 (Drop on in!) 17:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Biography doesn't contain any personal info (who are his parents, how many siblings etc), which is surely an important thing.


 * This kind of thing isn't always known about famous people. It's known about the name of his wife and daughter but whats to say Thierry wants the worls to know his parent names and the number of siblings he has. An just because he doesn't want this why is that reason to say the article is bad. Jimmmmmmmmm 20:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Object Too small not very well referenced bitty, no chuncks of info, FA requires alot more work than this. Ch ild zy  ( Talk 09:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Object Fails 2a, too litte referencing, not enough about his early career (he had a career outside of Arsenal, though you wouldn't know it from the article), I also think that there is not enough about his contributions to France's 1998 success, of which he was a major part, untill the final. Try Good Article first, and get a peer review done. Th ε Halo Θ 10:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)