Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/This Dust Was Once the Man/archive1

This Dust Was Once the Man

 * Nominator(s): Eddie891 Talk Work 13:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Whitman's shortest (and un-coincidentally, arguably my favorite) poem on Lincoln. Relatively short, but in my opinion comprehensive based upon the large number of Whitman sources I've looked at. This is my third Whitman and Lincoln article nominated for FAC. Thanks for the GAR, and  for a ce. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Support from DMT
Was around last time, seems right.
 * Perhaps I'm showing ignorance in regards to American history, but should "the union" be wikilined?
 * Linked
 * It may be worth wiki link "similar views on slavery" with Abraham Lincoln and slavery - the mention of the union applies the same here as it does above.
 * I think this one might be a little EASTEREGGy because if I linked "on slavery", the reader would presumably expect it to be about Lincoln and Whitman's connection to slavery...
 * Fair point.
 * "The poem was not revised after its first publication" - should mention that this is in contrast to Whitman's usual practice.
 * added note, does that work
 * Yeah, that's good. DMT Biscuit (talk) 20:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * "in 2019 Whitman scholar Ed Folsom wrote..." → 'Whitman scholar Ed Folsom wrote, in 2019,...'
 * sure
 * For the sake of easing a dense - but not by fault of you - section, I think "Folsom wrote that Whitman scholars generally favor the secession interpretation in a 2014 journal article" can be changed to '—having espoused this interpretation before.'
 * I'm not sure I understand exactly what change you're suggesting here, could you clarify?
 * Splicing the sentences together: "Whitman scholar Ed Folsom wrote, in 2019, that Whitman's 'foulest crime' is generally viewed not as slavery but either as Lincoln's assassination or the secession of the Confederate States of America—having espoused this interpretation before[11][12]". DMT Biscuit (talk) 20:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Spliced in a different way, does that work?
 * Yep, that's good.
 * Roy Morris is a scholar of...? Literature, poetry, Americana, presidents, civil war...? Best to clarify to avoid the dreaded weasel words.
 * clarified
 * "death– as" - Is this hyphen's placement a typo? I.e. should it be spaced out or have the space closed?
 * I think a Comma is OK here
 * "In 1965 Ramsey Clark, the United States Attorney General, read part of the poem to a subcommittee of the United States House Committee on the Judiciary during a hearing on creating penalties for assassination of the president" - this is interesting but ultimately, in my opinion, trivial. It's akin to mentioning Obama's opinions on The Wire, simply lacking the speciality to justify the inclusion.
 * I think it's relevant to show that the poem hasn't completely faded from the popular view and was cited by a prominent American like 100 years after. It's admittedly not the most related and I'm not completely opposed to cutting, but I don't think the article is long enough that it has to go. Willing to discuss further...
 * This,, is a good rationale. Fine with it staying. Often, qualms on here need only diplomacy. DMT Biscuit (talk) 20:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * "I noticed the problem with Griffin (2015) from last time carries over, that being redundancy. Best resolve that.

Welp, that's me. Short comments for a nice and succinct article. DMT Biscuit (talk) 16:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Cut. Thanks,, some responses above. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , one response above. Many thanks again Eddie891 Talk Work 02:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * All's well, as far as I am concerned. Support.DMT Biscuit (talk) 05:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Comments Support from DanCherek

 * Italicize Leaves of Grass in the infobox caption
 * done


 * "Lincoln's assassination on April 15, 1865" — he was shot on April 14 and died on April 15; the lead of Assassination of Abraham Lincoln says he "was assassinated [...] on April 14, 1865" so I would take a closer look at the wording there
 * I mean, it wasn't an assassination until he died, but de-specified to mid-April.


 * "striking appearance" and "unpretentious dignity" — the quotation marks make it seem like those are Whitman's own words. But that's not the case, right?
 * attributed


 * Move the Leaves of Grass wikilink from the Publication history section to the Background section
 * done


 * "Whitman writes in the third line: 'the foulest crime known in any land or age.'" — it looks like you omitted 'in history' so I would either use [...] to note the omission or just use the entire quote
 * added


 * "After arguing in favor of secession" — I'm guessing he wasn't arguing in favor of secession itself, but rather in favor of a secession interpretation, so I would clarify this
 * changed


 * Herman Melville is linked twice
 * fixed


 * "Assassination of John F. Kennedy" — "assassination" in lowercase
 * fixed


 * The Wikisource link is broken.
 * Cut, it takes up a lot of space and we have the full text here


 * Should the article be added to the Assassination section of the Abraham Lincoln navbox? I don't think it's in there currently even though the navbox is used in the article.
 * I don't think it's relevant enough for a link, cut

I hope these are helpful! I have a peer review open here for what I'm hoping will be my first FAC, and any comments would be appreciated if you have the time; no worries if not. DanCherek (talk) 21:42, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Good points,, addressed. What say you? Eddie891 Talk Work 02:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep, nice work! DanCherek (talk) 03:57, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Support from Damien Linnane
Having already been familiar with this article and recently provided feedback that has been addresssed, I'm happy to support on prose. Damien Linnane (talk) 03:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Source review and Support from Vami_IV
Reserving; currently working on an article. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  06:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I am satisfied that the sources used are reliable. Spot check in progress. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  09:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * All clear on the spot check. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  09:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Only outstanding matters for the purpose of this review is that there is a long-form book citation ([14]) in #References and that only one publisher is linked under #Sources. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  09:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tks,, these should be handled. Eddie891 Talk Work 10:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sehr gutt. I'm pleased to support this bid for Featured. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  10:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Comments Support by Z1720
Non-expert prose review.


 * No problems with the prose.
 * The Background doesn't mention that Lincoln was 16th President of the United States. Probably worth mentioning that Lincoln was president and led the Union side of the American Civil War, considering the analysis mentions this information.
 * Done


 * Any information on the poem's reception at the time of publication?
 * None that I've found, and I've looked pretty hard. It doesn't seem to have stood out among passage to india at the time


 * I checked the lede and infobox, and except for the above mentioned 16th President statement, everything is cited in the article.

Those are my thoughts. Please ping when you have responded. Z1720 (talk) 15:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * THanks,, thoughts? Eddie891 Talk Work 15:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Concerns have been addressed. I support. Z1720 (talk) 15:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Query for the coordinators

 * I'm not in a particular rush (this has only been open for about 11 days), but it has passed image/source reviews and four supports on prose. Is there anything else you guys are looking for that I can try to drum up? No worries if it's just a matter of time. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to be ticking along nicely. Let's give it a few more days to ensure that anyone wishing to comment on it has the opportunity. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Are you including publisher locations or not? You should be consistent.
 * Leaves of grass: a textual variorum of the printed poems: in Sources Whitman is given as the author, but it is cited as Bradley. Which? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , fixed citation to Bradley (it's in the preface), and removed the only location. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 00:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 10:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)