Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thrud the Barbarian/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 14:17, 23 September 2010.

Thrud the Barbarian

 * Nominator(s): GDallimore (Talk) 00:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because... it has received many good tweaks since the last nomination, some responding to specific comments there, some just to improve it having left it alone for two years and come back with fresh eyes. It's about as ready as it's ever going to be. GDallimore (Talk) 00:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—no dab links, but a dead external link to http://www.blood-bowl.net/Thrud.html Ucucha 00:29, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been searching for something to replace that dead link for a while, and decided the best option was to link to the online version of the rule book. I'd prefer to cite the original paper rulebook, but don't know the publication details. GDallimore (Talk) 10:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Each of the non-free images, except perhaps the infobox, should be the subject of critical commentary in the article. Otherwise it's not proper fair use. Stifle (talk) 20:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * They are. GDallimore (Talk) 20:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, taking a read through. Pop culture seems to struggle to get reviewed here :) Overall, I'm afraid I don't think this is quite there. The reliability of sources is an issue, but the short paragraphs and sections, unreferenced bits and bobs and mid-sentence referencing means that the article doesn't flow perfectly, either. I also question the comprehensiveness here; I couldn't honestly say what it is that is missing, but I do not feel I walk away from this article knowing all about the subject. J Milburn (talk) 00:10, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Golden Age" Why caps?
 * "On moving on to art college in Liverpool, Thrud" Thrud went to art college? :P
 * "His work on this story was fully painted, and while considered impressive[21] was also criticised as being forced, confused[21] and muddy.[22]" Perhaps this could be expanded a little? Packing all that into one sentence... Also, direct quotes probably wouldn't hurt.
 * Was the White Dwarf stuff all inked? Could that perhaps be mentioned in the prose?
 * Why was Thrud dropped from White Dwarf?
 * "His new style was also noticed and received positive comments.[1]" Is that the extent of the reviews we have?
 * "a helmet having a pair" Rephrase?
 * "one of the best loved pieces" isn't a very neutral term
 * "and fans remember him as being from the period "before White Dwarf was crap"." Again, not so sure about this
 * I'm not feeling the legacy section- it doesn't seem to be about Thrud.
 * Category:Fantasy comics? Category:Fictional kings? Category:Fictional mercenaries?
 * Sorry, but the reliability of most sources isn't immediately clear- could you please explain? Also, could you double check italics? TRS2, for instance, is italicised in the text butwhy not the references.
 * TRS2?
 * Bulletproof Comics?
 * The Ninth Art?
 * 2000AD Review?
 * 3dtotal?
 * Grand Comics Database?
 * enjolrasworld?
 * GameHobby.net?
 * Forbidden Planet?
 * Strike to Stun?
 * Collecting Citadel Miniatures wiki? (Wikis are always questionable...)
 * Heresy Miniatures?
 * Links in the refs would also be nice- Jervis Johnson, for instance
 * While it looks, at first glance, that there's a lot of non-free content, this is a topic that demands it. File:Thrud miniatures.jpg feels a bit spare- other than that, they're ok. The rationale on the Arnie clone could do with cleaning up- clarify why the image is needed.
 * I note some references are "Smith, John", while others are "John Smith". The way you cite self-published sources is also inconsistent.

Oppose on sources, as per above: Few of the online sources appear to be of high quality and reliable. Brianboulton (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

The sources issue is not major and can be dealt with quite easily in FAC if I'm given more than 24 hours to respond to comments. Please reopen it. GDallimore (Talk) 23:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Concerning sources. Many of them are non-mainstream and minor, but that is because they are part of a network of British small, independent press titles. Nevertheless, care has been taken to select only the best sources or to select sources which clearly accurately verify the information in the article. Taking them source by source

TRS2 - online version of a long running small publication review magazine (TRS, The Review Sheet) and part of the bugpowder network, formerly a comics distributor (see British_small_press_comics). Although in blog format, it has a long term editor in the form of Jez Higgins who commissions reviews. Indeed, the particularly review being linked was written by Jez Higgins. This editorial oversight makes it a reliable source particularly in the context that the source is being used for personal opinions about the Thrud comics.

Bulletproof Comics - website has had a significant overhaul, but at the time was a comic book resource under the auspices of editor Matt Yeo who commissioned reviews. This editorial oversight makes it a reliable source particularly in the context that the source is being used for personal opinions about the Thrud comics.

The Ninth Art - website has had a significant overhaul, but at the time was a comic art resource with regular contributors and editorial oversight. This editorial oversight makes it a reliable source particularly in the context that the source is being used for personal opinions about the Thrud comics.

2000AD Review - website is now shut down but for many years posted reviews of every 2000AD issue commissioned by editor Gavin Hanly. Although independent of 2000AD is appears it was supported by Rebellion Developments, the publishers of 2000AD. This official support combined with the editorial oversight makes it a reliable source particularly in the context that the source is being used for personal opinions about the Thrud comics.

3dtotal - the source is an interview with Carl Critchlow and is being used to confirm facts about Carl Critchlow's inspiration, so must be a reliable source in that context. Grand Comics Database - this site was only being used to provide online confirmation of the contents of published issues of White Dwarf. The references have been rephrased to make White Dwarf the source with the GCD being merely a url as part of the reference.

enjolrasworld - site was being used to provide online confirmation of the contents of published issues of Warrior. Link removed as was a duplicate reference.

GameHobby.net - again, site was being used to provide online confirmation of the contents of published issues of Warrior. The references have been rephrased to make Warrior the source with the site being merely a url as part of the reference.

Forbidden Planet - These were being used merely to provide images of the front cover of the Thrud comics. The references have been rephrased to make the comics the source and to link to FP only as an online image. Strike to Stun - another defunct website, but at the time provided reviews written by regular commentators under the auspices of editor Natascha Chrobok. This editorial oversight makes it a reliable source particularly in the context that the source is being used for personal opinions about the Thrud comics. Collecting Citadel Miniatures wiki - the link is to a collection of photos of Thrud miniatures, and is therefore easily confirmed as providing reliable information. In particular, the wiki is only being used to provide a date of production of an early thrud miniature and the source gives its source for that piece of information: it is written on the bottom of the miniature itself.

Heresy Miniatures - the source is being used for information about their own production line and must be a reliable source in that context.

Hope that explains everything. GDallimore (Talk) 12:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)