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Time in Finland

 * Nominator(s): LunaEatsTuna (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

This article is about the history and geography of the time zone used in Finland as well as its maintenance. As far as I know, no time zone-related article has yet to achieve FA status, and so I really wish to expand and improve the coverage of this niche yet highly important subject (It indirectly involves almost all 7.9 billion people!). Additionally, the quality of Time in X articles (even important ones such as the United Kingdom) is rather poor at the moment, and so I also hope that perhaps this article could help towards possibly setting a standard for future Time in X articles I wish to improve. This reached GA in January 2022 (thank you Mujinga) and received a PR in March (thanks to Buidhe). It has changed significantly since it achieved GA status, and I think it is worthy of nomination for FA now. Lastly, I also wish to thank LPfi, whose lengthy edit to the history section in October last year unknowingly inspired me to work on this article. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Buidhe

 * Image review—pass no licensing issues found. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Comments by ChrisThe Dude - Support

 * "In the 19th century, a single time zone across Finland was to be needed" => "In the 19th century, a single time zone across Finland was needed"
 * "between Finland its western neighbours" - think there's a word missing there
 * "Finland's observance of Eastern Europe Time, while other countries to the west used Central European Time at UTC+01:00 caused" - need a comma before "caused"
 * "with the adjustment made one hour earlier at 0:2:00 EET" - that time doesn't look right
 * "Hours can be marked with leading zeros especially for the early hours of the night where necessary for clarity [...] but the hour after midnight and later in the morning, the leading zero is usually omitted" - I don't understand this, the two parts seem to contradict each other......?
 * That's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! And I reworded the sentence you mention last to be more comprehensive. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 00:15, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Support from Aoba47
It is a shame that this FAC has not attracted more reviewers as it is nice to see a different topic being represented in this space. I am by no means an expert on this topic as I do not even have a full grasp on time in the United States, but I hope my more outsider position will help in at least some way. My comments are below:


 * For this part, two hours ahead of coordinated universal time (UTC+02:00), UTC+02:00 is linked twice. I would remove the first instance as it is not necessary in my opinion and it would avoid a sea of blue.
 * I am confused by the mentions of daylight saving time in the lead. The first paragraph says it has been observed since 1983, but the second paragraph says it was done away with at some unspecified date. Could you clarify this for me?
 * If Finland is linked in the lede, it should be linked in the article itself for consistency.
 * I find the citation placement for this part, advanced 20 minutes and 10.9 seconds to Eastern European Time, to be rather cumbersome. Why not just move the citation to the end of the sentence?
 * I'd link the Soviet Union as other geographic areas get linked.
 * Daylight saving time is linked twice in the article.
 * I would split the "Proposals to end daylight saving time" paragraph into two. I would start a new paragraph with this sentence, As of November 2021, as it seems like a natural break to me. I suggest this because it is a rather long paragraph so I think breaking it into two will help with readability.
 * I'd remove the following links: telephone, Internet, computer networks, and internet connection. I am encouraging this as this are rather common concepts that a majority of readers will already understand so the link is not particularly necessary.

I hope this review is helpful. I have focused on the prose as I do not know Finnish so I cannot really delve into the sources in any meaningful way. Once my comments have been addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FAC for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 22:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Very helpful! I have made the relevant changes, and reworded your aforementioned sentence on DST to instead read "Daylight saving time was first attempted once in 1942". Hopefully this should avoid the confusion. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 14:54, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing everything. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. Best of luck with the FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Edwininlondon
Nice to see this type of article here at FAC. Some comments:
 * The opening sentence is a bit long. Do we really need to have "including Åland" right here?
 * Removed.


 * In the 19th century, a single time zone across Finland was needed --> would be better if it starts with what was before 19th century
 * Done.


 * Daylight saving time was first attempted once in 1942, but abandoned as not useful. In 2017, --> missing here is when it was re-introduced (1981)
 * Added.


 * to consider abolishing daylight saving. --> to consider abolishing daylight saving time.
 * Fixed.


 * and each city followed their own --> and what happened in the villages?
 * Changed to "localities" instead, sources mention that towns and villages used their own solar time as well.


 * each city followed their own solar time. In 1909 --> This is puzzling to me: at first I thought 1909 was a typo and should be 1809, but then realised that is not even "before the 19th century". Maybe just drop the year and say something a long the lines of "This meant that .."
 * Changed.


 * via telegraph --> when was the telegraph introduced in Finalnd?
 * Seems like it was in 1854. Should this be noted in the article?
 * Not here in the lead, but in the body it would be good.
 * Added.


 * Kaipiainen, just east of Kouvola. --> is anything known about time further east?
 * I could not find anything.


 * In 1882, clock synchronisations by telephone were arranged between Finland and Sweden --> anything about Russia? Especially since the topic was train to St Petersburg.
 * It appears I misread the source: synchronisations to Helsinki mean time were arranged between the Finnish Meteorological Institute and Sweden's National Meteorological Institute for geo measurements. Changed accordingly.


 * In 1888, the Diet of Finland (a legislative assembly) .. (Finland was --> 2 sets of parentheses is maybe a bit too much in one sentence
 * Perhaps "(a legislative assembly)" can be removed? Diet of Finland is wikilinked.
 * Yes


 * was proposed in the Diet --> by the Diet?
 * Fixed.
 * On second reading this made it worse, sorry! It now looks as if the Diet disagreed with itself. I assume that the proposal was made by the government and parliament voted and rejected it. If so, then perhaps "proposed by the government"?
 * Does it look alright now? :3
 * Yes


 * without success --> anything known about why it was rejected?
 * Expanded.


 * Nevertheless, the standard railway time spread to common usage throughout the country --> if there is a bit more about how and why this happened, that would be good.
 * Expanded. Should look alright now?


 * proposed that Finland adopt Eastern European Time --> link Eastern European Time
 * Added.


 * to become the standard time zone for the country --> ideally there is a bit more on this: e.g. impact, reactions by the residents, how did it compare to neighbouring countries
 * Expanded. Seems like it was a very easy switch with no objections until the proposal of CET in 1929, so there may be little to expand upon.


 * caused difficulties for businesses --> would be good to give examples. The next sentence has one, but it would be better placed here perhaps
 * Changed. Does it look alright?
 * Content yes, but wording a bit sub-optimal with repetition of "caused"
 * Fixed.


 * proposed that the Finnish government switch --> needs a bit of a rephrase, because now it looks as if they propose the government switches but the rest of the country not, so perhaps "switch the time in Finland to"
 * Fixed.


 * the European Union directive --> the name European Union was not in use in 1980, it only came in 1992
 * Fixed.

More later. Edwininlondon (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not keen on the structure regarding daylights saving time. I can see the argument to have some of it in the history section, but now we have some repetition and wrongly placed info I think. I'm not sure how to make it perfect, but let me try to make some concrete suggestions:
 * first of all, Further information: Summer time in Europe should move to the header "Daylight saving time"
 * Moved.


 * As Finland is at high latitude, the sun ... time coordinated with other countries. --> apart from the tone of this being a bit too informal (still) and vague (as an advantage?) and unremarkable (the sun shines in the mornings in the summer everywhere), should this not move up? It seems to convey the reason why it was changed, so perhaps better suited in the history
 * Reckon it could be removed all together?
 * No, I do think it is a point worth making that in summer it is pointless. Perhaps something along the lines of "Finland's high latitude means that in summer the nights are short (e.g. in Helsinki in July there are only 5 hours between sunset and sunrise), and daylight saving time has no impact on the population. In spring and autumn it does, in addition to the advantage of keeping the time coordinated with other countries"
 * Implemented. Look alright?


 * would be healthy for Finns --> any specific reasons given?
 * Changed: the society claimed it would save power and food (food??).
 * Intriguing. But should it not be singular "means that" instead of "mean that"?
 * Fixed.


 * Finland has observed daylight saving time since 1981 --> I can live with duplication, given that some readers might jump from the index straight here, but the bit that follows "following the European Union directive on daylight savings time, with the adjustment made one hour earlier at 02:00 EET for the first two years" should not be in this section. The first two years bit should be in the history.
 * Fixed, should be okay now?
 * Yes


 * was reviewing the practice --> repetition of practice
 * Fixed.


 * As of November 2021 --> any more recent updates?
 * None from Yle in English or Finnish. EU has yet to release any updates either.


 * Geography and solar time --> a map would be good, the tripoint photo could go to an earlier section
 * It used to have file:Tzdiff-Europe-winter.png, or would you prefer a different image? Also, I would personally be fine with removing the tripoint photograph all together if need be, as the tripoint is ultimately of little importance.
 * file:Tzdiff-Europe-winter.png confuses me. I was thinking of a map that shows the 30th meridian and some of the cities mentioned in the text. We don't need another time zone image, the top one does that trick. It may not be possible to find something and that is fine too, it would just be nice to help the reader. If found, I agree the tripoint can go.
 * Great, will look for something.


 * located outside of 22°30' East --> is outside the right word? is simply west not better?
 * Changed.


 * Finland's standard meridian --> what does that mean? The meridian article doesn't define it either. Plus the infobox calls it "central meridian". One term should be used, not two
 * A standard meridian is "a meridian used for determining standard time". The 30th meridian east is the standard meridian of Eastern European Time. I will edit the infobox accordingly and see about adding standard meridian it to an article somewhere.
 * Is it acceptable to link to Wiktionary for this term? I do see it as notable enough for its own article or an explicit mention in an article.
 * I don't think I have ever seen a Wiktionary link in an FA, so my suggestion is to a) add a Standard meridian section to the meridian article and link to that section; b) fix the infobox template and change "central meridian" into "standard meridian" with a link to this new section. In your source the phrase "central meridian" is never used. A quick search on the internet suggests that "central meridian"  means something else, not time zone related.
 * Fixed. Standard meridian is also now a redirect.


 * Because of Finland's high latitude, ... and Russia easier. --> this sentence feels misplaced. What follows and what comes before it are closely related and this sentence breaks the flow. Also, I would drop the second part from "which is only" until the end, because it feels a bit repetitive
 * Fixed.


 * At Muotkavaara – a tripoint border between Finland, Norway and Russia – three time zones meet during Finland's winter time; --> commas instead of – is fine I think. And should the semicolon at the end not be a colon?
 * You are correct! Fixed.


 * in Nikel --> why mention a city? the timezone is for a whole part of the country, not just the city
 * Fixed. Thought it was worth mentioning as Russia has several time zones but it seems strange now.


 * leap seconds --> I would expect a bit more on this: when was the first time this was done, how often has it been done, when was the last time?
 * Expanded. Thoughts?
 * Nice work.


 * "21–04" to avoid confusion with 24:00 --> why deviate from the standard notation twice here? Both should use the period. And I'm not convinced this is a good example of the point being made about leading zeros
 * Changed to 24.00.
 * OK, but sorry I still don't get it: we're talking about leading 0s for the hours and 21–04 does not have a leading 0, and also has an unexpected - as separator. Can it not just be "(e.g. 04:00)" and drop the "confusion with 24:00"? What do the sources say?
 * Oh, I see! The example is meant to read "21 to 04", as in "open from 21 to 04", as "open from 21 to 4" might make people think it was open from 21 to 24. I was actually confused by this myself! Evidently, It should definitely be changed to something less confusing, any ideas on what to?
 * I did some edits, after reading the source (thx to Google Translate!)
 * Thank you – that looks great!


 * but the hour after midnight and later in the morning --> comma before but and something is missing, perhaps "for the hour"?
 * Fixed.


 * "9–21" --> (e.g. "1.21" and "9.21")
 * just checking if I get this right: acceptable is 00:21 and 0.21 and 1.21 and 02.21 and 2.21 and 07.21 and 9.21. But not acceptable are: 01.21 and 09.21?
 * spelled out using the 12-hour clock --> does this work for all time or only the whole hour? I mean, does one spell out 9.21 as nine hours and twenty one minutes in the morning? (Languages can get quite odd with this: in Dutch one can actually say "nine minutes before half ten")
 * I shall consult the source.


 * Finland previously used the 12-hour clock --> and how did notation look like then? Something like the English am and pm?
 * I will see if there are any sources for this.
 * I cannot find a source for this specifically.


 * Europe/Mariehamn for Åland. "AX" --> anything on why there are 2 entries that are identical?
 * IANA gives tzs for individual territories rather than UTC offsets.

I'll look at sources later. Edwininlondon (talk) 12:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * See also: always tempting to add many links, but now I'm thinking "where is Sweden?" That "bordering country of Finland" feels overkill
 * I believe I have addressed all your points now. Very thorough, thank you so much! For your last points, I have removed some text from Notation, does it look slightly more comprehensive and non-confusing now? LunaEatsTuna (talk) 01:38, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, notation does look better, except for the "21–04" to avoid confusion with 24.00"


 * Reading over the article once more, I do feel there is a bit of a gap. The birth of international coordination of time is missing. The 1897 proposal talks about UTC+2. Why was that? By the 1919 proposal EET did already exist. When was EET created? By whom? Who adopted it immediately? Was Finland involved in its creation? I think the article would benefit from an extra paragraph dedicated to international time coordination in the history section, including a link to the International Meridian Conference.
 * I have expanded on this. Thoughts?
 * Nice work


 * Since 1983, the change has been made an hour earlier. --> any reasons given? Did the neighbouring countries do the same?
 * TZ database says they did not, and the book source does not mention why. I will try to find another source for this, such as an announcement from a newspaper.
 * That would be good.
 * I cannot seem to find anything, and the 15 March 2007 source from Yle about DST in the country which is already cited in the article does not give any reason either.

That's it on prose from me. I promise. Edwininlondon (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm happy with the changes. I support on prose. Later I will look at source formatting, quality and will do a spotcheck, once mujinga has done their review. Edwininlondon (talk) 16:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Comments Support from mujinga

 * I enjoyed reviewing this for GA and will give it a read again once the comments from Edwininlondon are dealt with. Just wanted to say now that I agree the first sentence is a bit unwieldy and would suggest breaking it up or starting with a different sentence. Mujinga (talk) 10:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll give the article a read now after replying at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates Mujinga (talk) 10:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "each locality followed their own solar time" ⇒ "each locality followed ITS own solar time" - in lead and body
 * Done.


 * "would feel too alien for Finns" - I'm lost, wouldn't standardised time be helpful?
 * I know right *-* The source is relatively vague; I will try to find a more explanatory source for it. Found! It has been clarified and expanded.


 * " it continued to observe daylight saving time in-line with said directive, however is now bound by European Union law to follow it" - suggest " it continued to observe daylight saving time in-line with said directive AND is now bound by European Union law to follow it."
 * Done.


 * "must approve the proposal" - suggest "were required to approve the proposal"
 * Done.


 * "has yet to be obtained as the European Union" - suggest "had yet to be obtained as the European Union" since Nov 2021 is now in past, or can you update this?
 * Done. No updates from EU yet.


 * on references:
 * is there a reason for UTC–UTC(MIKE) not UTC–UTC (MIKE)? i do see the source uses UTC–UTC(MIKE)
 * It seems as though that is how all standards of International Atomic Time are stylised, e.g. UTC–UTC(SP) and UTC–UTC(SU). Research has turned my brain into mush but there is an equation (or calculation or something) called UTC(k), which perhaps has something to do with it. All sources online use UTC–UTC(MIKE).
 * thanks for clarification! Mujinga (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Tilastoja Suomen ilmastosta 1981–2010 (PDF) can have an english translation
 * Added.


 * on the lead, as we discussed back at the GA review, more from the article can be summarized in the lead, eg a sentence each about maintenance and geography. notation and IANA time zone database perhaps dont need summarizing, but interested what you think
 * I have added on maintenance, geography and notation. I wholeheartedly agree IANA should not be mentioned in the lede. Honestly I am slightly 'meh' on notation, but what do you think?
 * By notation, do you mean " Finland uses the 24 hour clock notation." ? I agree, it feels a bit tacked on. Maybe see what someone else says, or if you want to delete it again, go ahead. Otherwise the lead is great now! Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2022 (UTC)


 * also the first sentence reads too awkwardly to me. for me, "Finland uses Eastern European Time[a] (EET) during the winter as standard time and Eastern European Summer Time[b] (EEST) during the summer as daylight saving time" reads much better.
 * you could then add in "two hours ahead of coordinated universal time (UTC+02:00)" and "three hours ahead of coordinated universal time (UTC+03:00)" in a following sentence if necessary
 * I have altered the first sentence of the lead, your thoughts?
 * Reading much better I would say! Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2022 (UTC)


 * finally, the caption "The Helsinki University Observatory, on which Finland's local mean time is based" is a bit confusign for me, what exactly do you want to say? i feel like "where Finland's local mean time is measured" would work better?
 * Done, upon reading other articles that seems to be the correct term to use.


 * that's it from me, great to see this article improved from the GA review and here at FAC! Mujinga (talk) 11:29, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * And thank you for the GA and now FA review! You have greatly aided in helping to develop and improve this article :3 LunaEatsTuna (talk) 23:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * changing to support Mujinga (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Source review
I'll do this, probably tomorrow. , I assume this needs a spot check too? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * A spot check would be preferable. Hog Farm Talk 22:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the nom has any FAs, so it would be required. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  22:42, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll start with the spot check, just in case that leads to any changes to the sources. I'll look at eight footnotes, picked more or less at random. For the Finnish sources, I'm using Google Translate, which I know can be misleading, so please excuse any notes below based on mistranslations. Footnote numbers refer to this version.
 * 36: OK.
 * 60: Used to support "VTT also maintains a radio transmitter in Espoo that transmits a high-precision time signal produced by an atomic clock and hydrogen monitors that maintain Finland's official time zone at a frequency of 25 megahertz to make sure the official timekeeping devices in Finland do not fall behind". I used Google Translate to translate the page cited, but I can't find these details on that page.  Should this go to another page?  And I see that VTT is in Espoo, but the only source for that seems to be the contact page at that website, so I would suggest citing that page too.
 * You are right! I have added the correct source ("SI units in Finland, time and frequency"). I looked around, but actually I cannot see anything on VTT maintaining any kind of radio transmitter, so I have removed said sentence.


 * 19: Used to support "Finland became independent in 1917, and on 10 December 1919 the Geographical Society of Finland [fi] wrote a proposal to the government that Finland adopt Eastern European Time". I think you need a separate cite for the date of Finnish independence (to avoid adding another source, you could use p. 87 of Heikki (1999), which mentions it).  The source is a newspaper dated 10 December 1919, so it seems the Society's proposal must have been written before that date.  Per Google Translate, I think that from the second-to-last paragraph I can tell the Society met to agree on this in October.  Can you check the date, and quote and translate for me the sentences in the source that support the whole sentence?
 * 6: Used to support "A ball was released at noon and its falling was noted optically at the railway station and the clock adjusted accordingly. If there was fog impairing the ball from being seen from that far away, noon would additionally be announced by a shot from a cannon. The correct time was relayed to the other stations via electrical telegraph". I think you need to extend the cite to include page 83, which covers the cannon and electric telegraph.  Google Translate says the cannon was used when it was "rainy", can you confirm that the source is really talking about fog?
 * Fixed. It does say rainy! I somehow mistook Sateinen (rainy) as Sumuinen (foggy). Also extended the citation.


 * 18 & 21: Used to support: "On 30 April 1921 at midnight on Walpurgis Night, the official time was advanced 20 minutes and 10.9 seconds to Eastern European Time, to become the standard time zone for the country" 18 is OK; it appears to cite everything except the name of Walpurgis Night.  21 is OK, again except for "Walpurgis Night".  I'm curious as to why you mention Walpurgis Night instead of just giving the date -- does it have some particularly cultural relevance to Finns or to the article?  Either way, if you keep it I would provide a cite for the name of the night.
 * It is mentioned in page 87 of Aikakirja, which references that it was purposefully chosen as such, so it may be relevant to the article.
 * "Valtio- neuvosto päätti, että muutos tehdään vuoden 1921 vappuyönä."
 * 'The Council of State [that is, the government] decided that the change would be made on Walpurgis night 1921.'
 * Walpurgis night is called vappu in Finnish and yönä means night, but in Finnish yönä refers vaguely to the time between 11 p.m. and 6–7 a.m. So, "vappuyönä" refers to the eve of Walpurgis night (midnight 30 April 1921, as stated in the article).


 * 14: OK.
 * 23: Used to support "On 19 June 1929, the Finnish Post and Telegraph Board proposed to the Finnish government that Finland's standard time be switched to Central European Time". It looks as though this has the same problem as 19, above; the date given in the article is the same as the date of the newspaper. I was unable to find and translate the supporting text from the source; can you quote and translate the relevant text for me?
 * That is a mistake on my part, a date is not mentioned anywhere. The beginning is just right of "Turn kaupungin 700-vuotisjuhlat" underneath the giant image (first page):
 * "Posti- ja lennätinhallitus on lähetlänyt valtioneuvostolle seuraavan kirielman: Maaliskuun 12 paivänä 1920 annetussa asetuksessa yhteisen keskiajan käytäntöönottamisesta Suomessa säddetaan […; they mention a short history of EET and state their reasoning for the proposed change, article cuts off and then continues on page 10] Suomen tulisi siirtyä Keski-Europan aikaan."
 * 'The Post and Telegraph Board has sent the following letter to the Council of State: 'The Decree of 12 March 1920 on the implementation of the common Central Time in Finland provides as follows […] Finland should move to Central European Time'

-- That's it for the spot check for now; I'll wait to do the source review till after we're done with this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The only point I think is still outstanding is footnote 19; you've added the cite for Finnish independence, but the date for the newspaper article can't be the date for Suomen Maantieteellinen Seura's proposal. Once you've addressed that I will check another few footnotes, since we found a couple of issues in the ones I've checked so far. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the slow-ish response time. For your final concern, there is no date given: the first sentence states that the society set up their own committee for proposing a time zone on 17 May 1919. The article just references that the proposal was formally made in late 1919 (I cannot specifically see it was December). I wish to also thank you for conducting this FA review, clearly the footnotes need some work- LunaEatsTuna (talk) 13:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That fix looks good to me. I'll check a couple more footnotes next. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 13:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I started doing more checks but almost immediately found that [53] is used to cite "results in a difference of approximately 48 minutes of solar time", which it doesn't appear to support. Can you go through the article and check that all the cites are in the right place and support what they cite? I don't want to fail the spotcheck, and the best way to avoid that is for you to do a check first. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * [53] is not a citation for that – solar time was calculated by comparing the points of 19°07′54″E and 31°35′12″E. I will remove this as no such citation actually exists. In any case, I will look through the citations now. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 14:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have looked through every citation, and ended up correcting several, including the removal of duplicate or unnecessary ones. It should hopefully be fine now… LunaEatsTuna (talk) 18:04, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Second pass spot check. Footnote numbers refer to this version. Just 21 & 23 to quote, unless you decide to keep 37. Once this is OK I will do the source review. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 15: OK.
 * 21 & 23: used to support "The proposal failed to gain support, as the Ostrobothnia Chamber of Commerce released a statement in September arguing that Finnish companies were adequately adapting to the two time zones." I think this is OK, based on Google Translate, but can you quote and translate the relevant bits?
 * 37: used to support "At the time, the European Commission was reviewing it." This is paywalled so can you quote the part of the source that supports this?  Actually I also think you could just cut it -- the previous sentence says what it is reviewing and the next sentence talks about more substantive actions, so this sentence seems superfluous.
 * 44: OK.
 * 8: OK.
 * 59: Used to support "Since 2009, VTT's official time has remained within 30 nanoseconds of UTC". OK, but I suggest making it "since the end of 2009", since the last anomaly occurred in late 2009.
 * Should be good now. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that looks good; the spot check passes. I'll do the source formatting and reliability review later today -- shouldn't take long as I've already looked at most of the sources. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 19:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Formatting & reliability review -- footnote numbers refer to this version. The sources all look reliable; there are a couple of newspapers which look fine for the purposes they're used for. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It should be "p." in the citations for a single page, and "pp." for multiple pages; check footnotes 3,6, & 29.
 * For book citations you can either include publisher locations or omit them, but you should be consistent. 1 and 10 have locations; 7, 45, 46, and 60 do not. They're also missing from everything in the bibliography and further reading, so it would probably be easiest to omit them from 1 and 10.
 * Can we get an ISBN for 45? And for Heikki (1999) and (2013) and Simojoki in the bibliography.
 * Done, but I cannot seem to get an ISBN for Aikakirja 2013. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 23:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Source review passes. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Z1720
Non-expert prose review.


 * "required precise timetables that earlier means of transport such as sailing ships and stage-coaches did not require." Suggest adding commas to separate the aside, as so: "required precise timetables that earlier means of transport, such as sailing ships and stage-coaches, did not require."
 * "In spring and autumn it does, in addition to the advantage of keeping the time coordinated with other countries." Although hinted at, the impacts of daylight saving time during spring and autumn are not explained. Please add some information about this.
 * I added Template:abbr for instances of e.g. in the "Notation" section. Please revert if this is not useful.
 * Note d might need a citation.

Those are my thoughts. Z1720 (talk) 13:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I have addressed your concerns. Thoughts? And abbr. looks good! LunaEatsTuna (talk) 20:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support my concerns have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 01:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 12:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)