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Tom Brinkman
Self nom. Profile of one of the most conservative state legislators in America, Ohio's Tom Brinkman, who is so conservative many in his own party disown him. Very interesting fellow, though. Fully researched, bibliography, lots of links to webpages. PedanticallySpeaking 14:48, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: What is the policy regarding copyrighted fair use pictures, as the one in this case? Also, the article could do with more pictures. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 16:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Object. Would it be possible to get a free-license photograph of the guy, possibly from the US government archives?  If not, the image page needs to indicate the source of the image and who the copyright holder is, and the reason why the image is usable under fair use needs to be provided for each page the image is used on. --Carnildo 18:32, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Conditional support: I'd like to see the photo issue resolved, and I'd like to see a date of birth before full support. Interesting bio, though! Jokestress 19:03, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Conditional support - the text is really great, and this is yet another great article by PedanticallySpeaking. Though this is really a small issue, I would like to see a few images to be added into the article. Overall, great article, great work. &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 20:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. I finally found a birth date in a PDF and added it to the article. As for pix, if he had been successful at getting elected to Congress, then sure, PD ones would probably be available. However, state houses are not so forthcoming. One of the few pics of him I found not taken by a professional photog (and not just a variation on the one already included, except for a different patterned tie) is this group shot, which I don't think would add much to the article, but I will add it if doing so would change objector's minds. Niteowlneils 22:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Everyking 23:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Rossrs 06:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Conditional support Once free images are added. Shouldn't be difficult in this case. pamri 12:05, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Shouldn't be difficult in this case."--based on what? His campaign site has a copyright notice, as does the Ohio House site's homepage. Since he's never held Federal office, there's no reason for the US Gov sites (the source of many if not most of Wikipedia's public domain images) to have his pic. Niteowlneils 01:03, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment. I like the article but there are a few things which might be done to improve it. As a general comment some of the mentions seem to be introduced in the wrong order - eg we learn first that he was re-elected in 2004, then we learn that he wasn't hurt by endorsing a Democrat, then finally we learn the reasons why he endorsed the Democrat. I have some specific questions: 1) What is Tom Brinkman's family background? The article simply says he lives in Mount Lookout and went to a particular school. What did his parents do? How long had they lived in the area? etc. 2) What subject did he study at GWU? 3) Was his founding of COAST a spontaneous decision, or inspired by a particular proposed tax? 4) What was the outcome of his suit against Cincinatti over its action against gun manufacturers? 5) The quote from the Cincinatti Post needs to be either italicised or indented or both. 6) I presume the Columbus Monthly survey was of other members of the legislature - this needs to be made clear. 7) Brinkman's opposition to capital punishment is interesting in that this is a policy stance generally associated with moderates. Could it be explained further? David | Talk 21:41, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The missing quote indentation was my bad--when I moved the smaller pic down the page I inadvertently de-indented it--I've now fixed it. After much hunting I finally found his degree subject and added that, but found nothing about his parents or childhood. The article already had One of Brinkman's mailings said "Tom Brinkman believes all life is precious and must be protected. He has a 100% pro-life voting record." Brinkman's position was that he was "100% pro-life from conception to natural death."[37] While DeWine also stated his pro-life position, Brinkman noted on his web site "Because of [my] unwavering support of the Right to Life, from conception to natural death, Ohio Right to Life, Cincinnati Right to Life and Family First have again exclusively endorsed my election this year." [38] and I added In an AP article, Brinkman was quoted as putting it more simply, saying he's "pro-life all the way".[39]--not sure there's more to say; he's just more consistent in his 'killing is wrong' belief than most conservatives. Niteowlneils 01:03, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Object per David's comments, particularly background issues. I'm not sure this is our best work.  Dave (talk) 02:30, July 31, 2005 (UTC)


 * Support great article, too few of photos but I know that photos are sometimes tough to get under a clean license. great job. --Lan56 03:40, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks good to me, and I have faith the minor issues raised aboved will be dealt with swiftly. Phil s 16:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Support - good work. A curate's egg 07:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment. I've spent hours looking for free-use pics and more background info, without finding anything besides what I've added. While I agree that those things would add to the article, I don't think it's possible (without phoning one of his offices, which seems to inherently lead to verifiability problems), so I think those remaining requests are unactionable. Niteowlneils 00:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If free-use pictures aren't available, then the pictures that are used need to comply with the rules at Fair use and Image description page. See the image description pages for the images (other than for the movie poster) of Sunset Boulevard (film) for a particularly good example of this. --Carnildo 06:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I have attempted to address this concern on the image I uploaded, Image:Tom Statehouse inside-cropped.jpg. Niteowlneils 00:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks good. --Carnildo 02:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)