Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tragic Kingdom/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 05:18, 20 December 2008.

Tragic Kingdom

 * Nominator(s): Tez kag 72 and Escape Artist Swyer

I'm nominating this article for featured article because Escape Artist Swyer and I worked on it to get it to GA, and then had it peer reviewed, which recently closed (we fixed all the problems.) So, we want to know if it is capable of being one of the best articles Wikipedia has to offer. Tez kag 72 22:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Co-nom: We've spent a while working on this article since finding it like this. It stunned me that such a great album should have so poor an article so I got to work. Tezkag72 soon joined me and we've worked together since. This is my first FAC, btw. I hope it can be classified as one of Wikipedia's best. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 22:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I bought the album in January or so, and when I looked it up on Wikipedia in August or so to learn more about it, I noticed how bad the article looked. I found out that Escape Artist Swyer had been working on it for a bit, and I joined in. Through the course of the two months, we got it from a Start to a B, and then a GA. Now, basically we're trying to complete the process. It's my first FAC, also. Tez kag 72 22:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Maralia Welcome; it's nice to see some new faces around here! A few comments to get you started:
 * Every citation to an online source needs an accessdate (some are missing).
 * As far as I can see, they're all there for the "cite web" sources. Tez kag 72 00:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Refs 4, 5, 6, and 12 appear to be online sources without accessdates. Maralia (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried to edit it, and accessdates are indeed in all of them, they're just not showing up. Tez kag 72 14:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed these myself. Maralia (talk) 21:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The fair use rationale for Image:No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom.jpg needs minor clarification (the rationale does not explicitly state that it is a rationale for use in this article).
 * Why not? It's the album cover. Tez kag 72 00:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See my response to the next question here—there is a fair use rationale on the image page, but it's not clearly designated as being for use in this specific article. Maralia (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC) done -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 16:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Image:DontSpeak.ogg needs a fair use rationale for this article.
 * What does that mean? (sorry it's not your fault. I just don't understand those.) Tez kag 72 00:34, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:FURG for an explanation of what a fair use rationale is. You might consider using a preexisting template such as Template:Album cover fur. done -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 16:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Eric Stefani is linked twice in the main prose, but Gwen not at all.
 * Yes she is, as far as I can see. Where should I be looking? Tez kag 72 14:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Gwen and Eric are both linked once in the main prose: the background section. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 16:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The link to Paul Palmer leads to a disambiguation page.
 * Done. Tez kag 72 00:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Why is the article in Category:Atlantic Records albums? I see that Atlantic partially financed Interscope, but Atlantic is not mentioned in the release history, nor in the entire article. Am I missing something?
 * Done. Tez kag 72 00:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Good luck! Maralia (talk) 23:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * One more issue: references 7 and 9 aren't formatted the same as the rest; they have a date appended to the end of the citation—where an accessdate normally displays—but I think those dates are actually publication dates. You need to either use the same cite templates as used for the rest of the references, or manually format them to display in the same way. Maralia (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed these. Maralia (talk) 21:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Ealdgyth -
 * Using the little link checker tool over on the side there, I show the following links as dead:
 * http://www.nodoubt.com/press/articles/10BackStage.asp
 * http://www.nodoubt.com/press/articles/01Bam.asp
 * http://www.nodoubt.com/press/articles/03MeanSt.asp
 * Damn, No Doubt could've waited 'til this was promoted to reformat their website. Will go find new urls. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 16:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * done -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 16:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://popdose.com/
 * Source no longer used as I've cut down the singles section. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 21:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Current ref 44 (Charts-Surfer...) is in German, and should note this in the reference. Any other foreign language sites should also note the language in the reference.
 * Done. Tez kag 72 14:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I note Maralia caught the formatting issues in the references, and I second her recommendations.
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments by indopug
 * It could do with a solid copy-edit
 * In which areas? Tez kag 72 14:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Since most of the songs on Tragic Kingdom were written by lead vocalist Gwen Stefani, and were about her experiences in life, and those from No Doubt's previous album were written mainly by Eric Stefani, who left the group before Tragic Kingdom was recorded, the style of music changed from what No Doubt had previously produced"—very long sentence.
 * Done. Tez kag 72 14:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "commercial sound" in Background is a rather ambiguous phrase.
 * Removed. Thanks. Tez kag 72 22:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * There's no need to have such detailed info about the singles. They have their own articles, don't they?
 * Cut down. Is that enough? -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 21:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can yo[u break that rather large Critical reception paragraph?
 * How should I do that? The only way I can think of is breaking it between positive and negative reviews, but there aren't any mainly-negative reviews there. Tez kag 72 22:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Now two medium paragraphs. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 21:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What's the point of that release history section? How are a list of catalogue numbers supposed to help the general reader?
 * I removed those once, but PiracyFundsTerrorism said that WikiProject Albums's guidelines said that it's encouraged to have such a box. I checked, and it does say that. What should I do? Tez kag 72 22:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed section. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 21:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Tragic Kingdom spawned seven singles from 1995 to 1998, including "Just a Girl", "Spiderwebs", "Excuse Me Mr.", "Sunday Morning" and "Don't Speak"." -- is this needed at all in the lead? The infobox lists these out any way.
 * Well, every FA album article I've seen does that. Only five of the seven singles are listed because the other two didn't chart, didn't pass WP:N, and don't have articles. Tez kag 72 04:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've cut it to "Just a Girl" and "Don't Speak". These were the most well-known singles from the album. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 17:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Overall, very good work, but it needs fine-tuning. I'll try to help if I can with a ce and maybe add some more reviews. indopug (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Image review: Recommend you alter the Fair Use rationale for the album cover similar to Image:Michaeljacksonthrilleralbum.jpg. --Moni3 (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * done -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 17:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * One image in article, license and appearance ok. --Moni3 (talk) 15:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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