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The article was promoted by Karanacs 19:35, 28 October 2010.

Trocaz Pigeon

 * Nominator(s):  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  08:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

This is the third in a series of Madeiran endemic birds. It's not as pretty as Madeira Firecrest, or as endangered as Zino's Petrel Just an odd wood pigeon really.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  08:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. No problems with dablinks or deadlinks. PL290 (talk) 08:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  10:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Query I fixed two typos, but otherwise it is well written and an interesting read.
 * 1) You mention clutch size and that most breeding is in one particular season, but you don't mention how many times a year a pair will breed, how old the birds are before they breed or how long the birds live for in the wild. If the sources cover this I think it would be good to add this.
 * 2) The map shows the current range as being the whole 740 km2 of the isle of Madeira, but the sources say it is restricted to 160 km2 mostly in the North.
 * Thanks for reviewing, replies follow  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added that they breed from the first year. There is no info on how often they nest annually, and because, like other pigeons, they are opportunists that are not restricted as to when they breed, it's difficult to quantify. Nothing at all on life span.
 * My sources either don't give map, or just circle/colour the whole of the island. Although it's mainly in the north, it also occurs in suitable habitat in the south. Without more detailed distribution, I thought it safer to shade the whole island, as I did with Madeira Firecrest, rather than OR a guess at the detailed distribution.
 * Thanks for adding that bit and as for the rest of point 1 - obviously if we can't source it we can't cover it but thanks for checking. As for the map, I'm uncomfortable with a map indicating the whole island as the range if the article says otherwise. But I suppose realistically range for birds is different to say trees. would a green and grey striping and or a note in the caption make it clearer that it is only on parts of Madeira?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  19:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I also said this on the firecrest and/or petrel FAC: it would probably be more informative to have a map indicating where Madeira is than exactly on which island within the (rather simple) archipelago it occurs. Ucucha 22:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've tried to address the concerns expressed above by replacing the map with a location map as suggested by Ucucha  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That one is worse, I'm afraid; mainland Portugal is far too prominent. Why not use File:LocationMadeira.png or File:MadeiraLocation.png? Ucucha 13:25, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it makes it look as if the range includes Portugal. I like LocationMadeira.png.  Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  13:35, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

map changed to File:LocationMadeira.png as per recommendations  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  19:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's my concerns resolved.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  23:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for review and support  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources comments
 * Ref 3: is it necessary to show the url?
 * Yes, it links to the full text  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Why aren't Mullarney and Snow listed as cited texts, per Gibbs?
 * Done  Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Ref 15: publisher?
 * Done, also added for ref 11 <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Otherwise all sources look OK. Brianboulton (talk) 18:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Support. Ucucha 10:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Comments from Ucucha:
 * "DNA sequences from mitochondrial and nuclear genes"—perhaps instead write "Mitochondrial and nuclear DNA sequences", which links to the more specific articles.
 * Done <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think I've ever seen "Mya" capitalized; it's either "mya" or "Ma".
 * changed to "mya" <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Was C. p. maderensis also called "trocaz"?
 * I imagine (WP:OR) that the locals referred to both wood pigeons as "trocaz", since the Portuguese for wood pigeon is pombo-torcaz; the now extinct form was always uncommon, and Heineken's name, "Palumbus" is a Latin form, not an adaptation of a local name. Do I need more than is already there? Likely to be hard to source since I've read nothing to suggest a different vernacular name for C. p. maderensis <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak  - </b> talk to me?  06:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks—it was mainly curiosity. Ucucha 22:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Ucucha 22:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "an improvement on its Threatened status in 1988"—can't find that in the source, and I don't know that the IUCN ever had "threatened" as a formal category.
 * tweaked ref to link directly to additional data page <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  06:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for review and support <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  05:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Support Comments by Sasata (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm satisfied the article meets FA criteria. Consider my comments below struck. Sasata (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Per Sandy Georgia's reminder at the FAC talk page, I've moved all my resolved comments to the archive talk page. Sasata (talk) 15:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for review, bibliography and support <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  15:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Driveby comment: Introduction, linked in the lead, is a dablink. Images are good copyright-wise (and I love the lead image). J Milburn (talk) 10:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, added link after running dabtool. I like the image too, and it's not OR ( <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak  - </b> talk to me?  12:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Support (moral or otherwise) as WP birds member. Has had a few eyes on it already and mine are only picking up a couple of minor style issues - over the line for mine. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cas, one advantage of short articles is that they present a smaller target (: <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  05:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support – Read through it and only noticed one little thing that I fixed myself (please check to make sure I was correct in making in change). Looks like a nice article.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for review, fix, and support. Amazing that a missing word survived so long, I guess we read it even when it isn't there! <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  05:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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