Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tropical Storm Grace (2009)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Karanacs 16:28, 16 March 2010.

Tropical Storm Grace (2009)

 * Nominator(s): Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Although at first glance it seems like another minor storm, Tropical Storm Grace was a climatological outlier in that it formed farther northeast than any other tropical cyclone in the Atlantic Basin. I have spent several months searching for possible information in nearly ten languages and I now believe that there is nothing more available that can be added to the article. has made several copyedits to the article and provided it with alt text. All thoughts and comments are welcome. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. Ucucha 02:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments. No dab links and no dead external links. Alt text good, except that I'm not entirely sure what "cloud-filled eye feature evidence" means. Do you mean "evidence of a cloud-filled eye" ? Ucucha 02:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The evidence was apparently just hanging around there for fun, removed it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Perhaps the feature can be sent home too; don't see what it adds to the text. Ucucha 03:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's there for technical reasons. The storm did not really have a true eye, thus it is referred to as an eye-feature. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Ucucha 13:53, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Remove the bit about retirement as its OR as the WMO hurricane committee has not met yet to decide on the names for 2015.Jason Rees (talk) 03:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not OR, the National Hurricane Center has put the 2015 list up with no alterations to it. It's in the reference I used for that statement too, see here. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed after off-wiki discussion disproving my original thoughts. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Although I worked on this article quite a bit, polishing and tweaking it, I feel it's easily the most comprehensive and in-depth account of the storm anywhere. That's what an FA should be, regardless of little MoS issues that might arise. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * What makes http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/HOME/ a reliable source?
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The company is a private weather forecasting unit like Accuweather that primary forecasts for Great Britain. The link in question is a review of the weather on the days that Grace affected the UK and contains slightly more details than the BBC review of that day or the Met Office Verification report on the 2009AHS.Jason Rees (talk) 22:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll leave this out for other reviewers to decide for themselves, but I lean reliable. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Image Check: Passed - 3 images. All are free-use at Commons, have the author, and the flickr one is verified. Good job! -- Pres N  20:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments If you mean both that and the island of Ireland, write "the British isles". "United Kingdom" is linked in the infobox. Just UK, unlinked.
 * Pretty yucky opening sentence: "Tropical Storm Grace was the northeasternmost forming tropical cyclone in the Atlantic basin on record." I dunno ... "Tropical Storm Grace holds the record as the tropical cyclone to form furthest to the northeast in the Atlantic basin."?
 * Do we need "2009" twice in the second sentence?
 * Remove "its". Possible comma before "accompanied" ...
 * Why is "England" linked? Anyway, it looks more like Wales from the map. Do you mean "Great Britain", which refers to the island?
 * "tropical storm-force winds"—should that be "tropical-storm-force winds"? If so, try "winds of tropical-storm force". Don't like those triples.
 * Watch those vague words some, various, several. "and gradually acquired some tropical characteristics"—if you're not going to specify which ones, why not just leave it at two or more (plural): "and gradually acquired tropical characteristics".

That's the first part. Disappointed. Tony  (talk)  04:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

just noticed this nomination, and had a question. what does "furthest northeast" really mean? i wrote an article on Hurricane Ivan (1980) and had a similar question. I see it became a tropical cyclone at 38.5 north and 29.5 west, but Ivan could arguably be considered further northeast, since it became a tropical cyclone at 35.6 north and 23.5 west, which 2.9º further south but 6º further east. Is it furthest north a tropical cyclone formed east of 30 west? --Viennaiswaiting (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See this map I made. Essentially, Grace was the furthest north of the easternmost TCs and the furthest east of the northernmost TCs. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * then shouldn't the article say that? that image makes it look like Ivan is further northeast, since it's only slightly further south than Grace, but is much further east. Viennaiswaiting (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Although I found this interesting, its readability is difficult. The lead alone, as Tony pointed out, has several very complicated sentences, and the readibility doesn't get much better as the article continues.  It really needs another hand to simplify the text.  There are also some comma faults, lack of punctuation (for clarity), and questionable placement of modifiers.  Finally, the captions are unimaginative.  For example, the caption showing the track of the storm could be more instructive.  I guessed the loop was over the Azores, but I'm unfamiliar with the trackless mid-Atlantic, and hadn't any idea what that set of dots actually meant. Is a loop like that unusual? Similarly, the lovely picture of the clouds over Belgium deserves better as well.


 * Furthermore, how did the storm get to Belgium (this isn't covered in the text), what made it significant there? Obviously it crossed over the British Isle, the North Sea, and came ashore, but that is not explained, and I would like to know those details. Those rainfall amounts of 1-2 inches seem low to me, or at least to my experience with tropical storms. Are there ways of comparing this rainfall to "normal" rainfall in Wales or Belgium? Was this a lot of rainfall? Are 48 mph winds high in those areas?

Re the source that is "like Accuweather"...probably I'm okay with that source, but isn't Accuweather a network-based meteorological forecasting department? Auntieruth55 (talk) 22:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you please clarify what you mean by Accuweather being a "network-based meteorological forecasting department"?Jason Rees (talk) 23:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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