Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tropical Storm Leslie (2000)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 23:40, 3 April 2010.

Tropical Storm Leslie (2000)

 * Nominator(s): 12george1 & Hurricanehink

I am nominating this because it is well written, images are good, and it is well referenced. None of the references are dead links (I checked). The article is also made of a variety of sources, not solely from one source; like FEMA, NHC, or NOAA. It is a good size of information for a storm that barely affected land as a tropical cyclone. It is clearly not a skin and bones article like it was about 4 years ago. 12george1 (talk) 03:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Have major contributors of this article been consulted, as required by FAC instructions?
 * I have sent a message to Juliancolton, who else should I contact? You see Jason Rees is another but he likely knows; most of the other users made only minor contributions. Also, many of the other major contributors are not long active on Wikipedia: like Hurricane Hink. --12george1 (talk) 14:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Having rejoined Wikipedia, I'll be helping out with issues on this FAC. I have given it a copyedit to make sure it is up to proper standards. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:00, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments. Issues resolved. Oppose. Most images lack alt text. Also, a dab link to Sweetwater, Florida, and a dead link to http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WEATHER/10/04/miami.flooding.01/index.html. I will strike this oppose when these issues have been resolved. Ucucha 03:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the efforts made to add alt text. However, the alt text that is being added is insufficient: alt text should describe what meaning the image conveys. For the lead image, for example, the alt text should be something like "A map of the southeastern United States, northern Caribbean, and nearby Atlantic showing a large clouded area in the Atlantic east of Florida." Compare other recent hurricane FAs such as 1910 Cuba hurricane. Ucucha 04:04, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I made some better alt text descriptions, do you like them? Someone had a link on Web Archive from for the CNN article; so there are no dead links anymore. Jason Rees has also fixed the dab link to Sweetwater, Florida. --12george1 (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking good now. Ucucha 20:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As im one of the "secondry authors" im gonna have to stay Netural on its promotion.


 * In the lead there is a damage total inflated to 2006 USD. This needs to be updated to 2010 USD so to avoid the need of having to update this each year please use the inflation templates.Jason Rees (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In the impact section there is an inconistency with damage totals inflated to 2005 USD and 2006 USD. please do them all to 2010 USD using the inflation templates.Jason Rees (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Same with aftermath.Jason Rees (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There are also some issues with sources that if Sandygeorgia sees he/she will start moaning at WPTC or on this page.- ill fix these as i know what im doing. Jason Rees (talk) 16:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are unsure off what the template for inflation is see [List of retired Pacific typhoon names (JMA)]
 * All of damage values in impact section were switch from 2005 or 2006 to 2010 inflation.--12george1 (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Use the templates please as otherwise we have to edit the article evrey time the inflation figures are updated.Jason Rees (talk) 17:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Inflation templates have been added.--12george1 (talk) 17:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * Per the MOS, link titles in the references shouldn't be in all capitals, even when they are in the original
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I fixed just fixed it so it is not all caps. --12george1 (talk) 01:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Alt text done; thanks. Alt text is mostly present (thanks), but I'm afraid the alt text still needs some work. The lead text shouldn't say "Tropical Storm Leslie" as per WP:ALT. Alt text is missing for File:Leslie 2000 track.png. The phrase "that would become Tropical Storm Leslie" should be removed as per WP:ALT. The alt text for File:Leslie2000rain.gif should say "Subtropical Depression Leslie", not "Tropical Storm Leslie", as the image itself says "Subtropical Depression". The phrase "Miami-Dade County, Florida" should be removed as per WP:ALT. Eubulides (talk) 00:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * None of the featured tropical cyclone articles contain alt text for the track, as it part of a template. --12george1 (talk) 01:40, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Older featured articles often lack alt text (it's a newer requirement) but newer ones such as Hurricane Rick (2009) have alt text for the track. You can use the alt parameter of storm path; this was added in July 2009. Eubulides (talk) 01:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I added alt text to the storm track. --12george1 (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I the rainfall alt text a bit as well. Eubulides (talk) 06:14, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Image copyright check: Passed. All OK. Stifle (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments: Generally well done, prose is still a bit weak.
 * I don't think that almost a billion dollars in damage is "little impact" -- I suggest cutting out "Leslie had little impact as a tropical cyclone." completely, and changing "Because of the lack of impact as a tropical cyclone" to something like "Because of the limited impact as a tropical cyclone".
 * It's a bit wordy -- I did a few quick fixes in the Meteorological History section; perhaps you can get someone who isn't as a familiar with the general subject to go through prose?
 * To that effect, "Flood waters ... caus[ed] severe problems for farmers.", that sentence was weird, isn't it obvious that heavy flooding = bad news?... I removed the last part of it, and further, the idea was expanded upon in the next sentence too (start of planting season).
 * "The floodwaters, which were 4 feet (1.2 m) deep in places, also flooded thousands of cars. Many were stranded in their houses, forcing them to use canoes or inflatable rafts to move to higher grounds." -- Isn't the cars part kind of obvious, especially if you have people stranded in their homes? Perhaps you can change it to something like "The floodwaters, which were 4 feet (1.2 m) deep in places, stranded many in their houses, forcing them to use canoes ..."?
 * Impact section, "nonessential" or "non-essential"? The first looks weird to me, I think the one with the hyphen is the preferred Canadian spelling (or at least by far the most common), so the "nonessential" could be the preferred American one. That's perhaps why it jumped out at me.
 * Perhaps you could nix at least Tropical cyclone and List of Atlantic hurricanes from the see-alsos? They don't seem very useful. Also considering the sheer amount of Florida hurricanes, perhaps it would make sense to remove that section altogether?

 Maxim (talk)  15:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * About the "little impact as a tropical cyclone", I guess I wanted to emphasize that the damage was from the precursor disturbance, and not from the actual storm. However, that's confusing, I'll agree, so I removed it. After all, it's explained later. I cleaned up the MH on my own, but I found someone else as well. I'm cool with the farmers flooding thing, since you're right, it's obvious there were problems. The agricultural damage has its own paragraph, after all. I hated the thousands of cars sentence! Seriously! So your version was much better. I'm cool with the non-essential, since it's essentially the same thing. Question though: should that be non-essential or non–essential? Lastly, I removed those two links, but I kept the Florida hurricanes one, since I like having a see also section in general, and Leslie was one of the bigger Florida storms of the past decade. Also, I added a link to the 2000 AHS timeline, as per Tropical Storm Henri (2003), another FA. Hope things are better now. --♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
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