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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13:45, 4 December 2014 (UTC).

Typhoon Chanchu

 * Nominator(s): ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

This article is about a powerful typhoon in 2006. Not so long ago that it's forgotten in meteorology circles, but not so recent that its legacy can't be properly assessed. It was the first of several powerful, deadly storms in that year. The article, I am sure, is a better account on the storm than anywhere else online, which is my main personal criteria for nominating something for FAC. Hope you enjoy reading it as much as writing it! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Image review
 * The caption given for File:Affected_Philippine_provinces_by_typhoon_Chanchu_2006.PNG doesn't seem to make sense as written
 * File:Typhoon_Chanchu16-05-06.jpg, File:Typhoon_Chanchu_17_may_2006_0315Z.jpg: source link returns error message
 * File:Affected_Philippine_provinces_by_typhoon_Chanchu_2006.PNG: sources for base map and data shown?
 * File:Typhoon_Pearl_in_Shantou.jpg: that summary seems a little sketchy...Nikkimaria (talk) 05:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk) Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 04:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * "₫26 million": Most readers won't know that's drachmas, so writing it out and giving a link would be better.

Comments from Curly Turkey
I'm not an expert, so feel free to laugh at any silly thing I may have to say.


 * You might consider alt text for images
 * in the month of May according to the Hong Kong Observatory (HKO):
 * I'm surprised the year of the storm isn't mentioned in the opening line.
 * "the month of May" 2006, or for Mays in general?
 * For us non-experts, why is the Hong Kong Observatory singled out, and is it necessary to do so in the opening sentence?
 * , according to the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA): again, why is the JMA being singled out, and is it necessary to state this in the lead? This just comes across as noise to me at this stage of the article.
 * any reason "of 175 km/h (110 mph)" is plain text but 190000 ha uses a template? I see a mix of both styles throughout.
 * "near Shantou, Guangdong on May 17 as a severe tropical storm" are you committed to the no-comma-after-the-state style? I know there are those who prefer this style, but it's the kind of thing that others like to come along and "fix".  This is especially so because it is superficially inconsistent with "In Legazpi, Albay, strong waves" later.
 * Just a few comments in response, Curly, if that's okay. This is a tough problem for copyeditors ... every style guide says to put the trailing commas in, but few writers do that on their own these days, and few writers are consistent. I've surrendered on this point. - Dank (push to talk)
 * Well, I ask, because I can't always be sure it's intentional. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * dissipating west of Kyushu.: many will assume Kyushu is another part of China
 * ₱117.57 million (PHP: are ₱ and PHP not redundant? You use this pattern throughout the paragraph—is it common?  I don't recall seeing this style before.
 * I believe WP:$ requires identifying most currencies at first occurrence. I don't have any preference how people do that. - Dank (push to talk)
 * An area of convection, or thunderstorms: is this saying that "convection" means "thunderstorms"?
 * This is a common convention, but you make a good point about possible ambiguity. Would you prefer parens? - Dank (push to talk)
 * I asked because, clicking through, the article seems to say that convection can lead to thinderstorms, but doesn't seem to equate convection with thunderstorms, which this phrasing does seem to do. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * in the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM): "FSM" doesn't appear in the rest of the article---I'd drop it
 * although a circulation: in most people's vocab "circulation" is a non-count noun. If that's not the case here, is there a synonym that could be used?
 * It's going to be pretty hard to get weather people to give up this usage, and it doesn't sound that odd to me, but YMMV. Linguists would say it "needs testing", and I think they're right. - Dank (push to talk)
 * moved to the west-southwest: would this have an inappropriate meaning if cut to "moved west-southwest"?
 * No opinion. - Dank (push to talk)
 * It seems ambiguous to me as "to the" can imply either a direction or a destination. I assume a direction was intended, in which case doing the "to the" is both unambiguous and more concise. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Its tracked shifted more: should this be "track"?
 * 1 minute winds of: normally "1 minute" would be hyphenated if functioning as an adjective (noun adjunct); is this a special case?
 * I curse the person who first thought of this diacritical mark, they cause more headaches ... - Dank (push to talk)
 * It amazes me that people have such trouble with this---people wouldn't dream of stressing "one year old" and "one-year-old" the same way in conversation. Normally I'd just fix it, but I'm not confident I should with specialized terminology. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 13:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In the former province: this leaves me scratching my head
 * flights to offshore islands: are there islands that aren't offshore?
 * What do you prefer, Curly? - Dank (push to talk) 11:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Later, airlines canceled 12 flights in Japan due to the storm.: meaning Taiwanese airlines canceled flights in Japan?
 * largest oceanic rescue at the time: meaning up until that time?
 * remained missing as of May 23: is that when they gave up looking?
 * after dispersing a Ceratium bloom: clicking through to Ceratium isn't enlightening me here---what happened?
 * Vietnam Institute of Meteorology, Hydrology and Environment: worth a redlink?
 * Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Closing comment -- Sorry but this one is progressing too slowly for me to see any hope of consensus to promote being achieved any time soon, so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
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