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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 13:37, 6 October 2010.

U.S. Presidents on U.S. postage stamps

 * Nominator(s): GWillHickers (talk) 21:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Transcluded October 6 Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 10:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because It outlines all American presidents who have appeared on US Postage stamps. The article outlines all US presidents, the designers and engravers of the stamps they appear on and at the same time is a general outline of American history. The various presidential accounts are linked to corresponding presidential and other history pages and serves as a major bridge (link) between American history and the many articles of philately here at Wikipedia. GWillHickers (talk) 21:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. 1a plus other criteria. Best to withdraw this, forge collaborative relationships in this field, and resubmit later.
 * I see from a google search that they're in a tizz about when to follow the Chicago MoS's reversion: before, must use dots; now, must not use dots. Even sillier, the postal services uses "U.S." but "USPS". Usage is divided among third parties. It will need to be changed here at some stage.


 * 1) U.S. Postage stamps—here, why the P? This occurs elsewhere, too.
 * 2) "U.S. Post Office"—that was its former name, was it? If you're going to use it as well in the opening, you'll need to put in parentheses (the USPS's name until [year]).
 * 3) "were the ones"—this is not good.
 * 4) Logic problem: "The presidential theme on U.S. Postage stamps is so prevalent that entire series of stamp issues have been released in their honor."
 * 5) Two redundant words: "22 years after the first postage issues were released"
 * 6) Huge winding snake: "However in 1869, 22 years after the first postage issues were released,[4] the Post Office issued a series of 11 postage stamps that were considered at the time to be a break from the tradition of portraying only Presidents on postage stamps when it issued stamps that turned out to have less than favorable non-presidential themes."
 * 7) The lead is one great paragraph. The caption at the top is humungously long. Tony   (talk)  01:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Comment 1c / 2c issues, sourcing requires extensive work, to appropriately attribute and cite materials referenced and the location found within the material referenced. Why is there a massive grey div boxing the content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fifelfoo (talk • contribs) 04:56, October 6, 2010

Query, Should this be at Featured lists? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 10:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Oppose, suggest withdrawal - not to be discouraging, but this clearly isn't of the caliber required for FAC. Sandy makes a good point - the article is rather listy, although I'm not sure whether an improved version would fit better at FLC or FAC. In any event, the current version does not meet the standard of prose required for FA (as explained by Tony); referencing is poor, with many sources missing retrieval dates, some less reliable sources used, and some sections lacking sources entirely; fair-use rationales need improvement (source is a photo? What photo? Who took this photo? What was being photographed?); it's too long, and incorporates too much details on the presidents themselves and not enough on the stamps. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Comment Seemed to me like a list as soon as I saw the title and the article content pretty much confirmed it. I'd say "yes" to Sandy's quiry. And like Fifelfoo, the grey box is mighty confusing. Peter Isotalo 12:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Oppose not ready. In addition to above, a number of spelling and usage errors as well as factual errors (at one point, the article says that this is the only stamp featuring a certain president, I think Hayes, but forgets the 1986 AMERIPEX issue which depicted every president up to LBJ. And the article later mentions that issue!  Also massive copyvio problems as all 1978 and after US stamps are copyrighted by the USPS.  I bet the tags for the pre 1978 ones are wrong too, they should be "no notice".  Not only that, footnote 8 is to the entire Scott's Specialized catalog volume for US stamps.  That was a large volume years ago, I bet it is bigger today.  Need page numbers and edition.  Needs work.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


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