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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 11:12, 4 March 2016.

U.S. Route 25 in Michigan

 * Nominator(s):  Imzadi 1979  →   23:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

This article is about a highway that no longer exists in Michigan, at least not under a single designation. All of what was US 25 in Michigan is still maintained by the state, but under other names. This is one of the only places online to collect all of these pieces of information about the highway in one place, and I think it's the highest quality compilation you'll find.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Aso of note, the article just received an A-Class Review, which included an image review and source review.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support I reviewed the article at the A-class review and believe it meets the FA criteria. --Rschen7754 17:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - I also reviewed the article at ACR and too feel that it meets the FA criteria.  Dough   4872   18:39, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Support. I figured I'd come over here, since you visited my own FAC, why not travel a bit? All in all it's a good article, especially one that hasn't been an active route for several decades. My comments are relatively minor, and I'll be happy to support afterward. Cheers! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Is it worth linking "decommissioned"?
 * 2) In the section for "State line to Downriver", you say "before turning more northeasterly" in the 2nd paragraph, but the writing implies it had been going northeasterly ever since it reached US 24, and there is never a mention of it going a direction aside from northeasterly. Is it really turning if it doesn't change directions? Or, if it changed directions, when did it?
 * 3) "In Downtown Detroit, Fort Street ended at Campus Martius Park at M-1 (Woodward Avenue). US 25 looped around the square and followed the street named Cadillac Square over to Randolph Street, turning north to connect to Gratiot Avenue." - you say "looped around the square", but is this referencing to Campus Martius Park or Cadillac Square?
 * 4) "Gratiot Avenue is a major thoroughfare on the east side of Detroit running through residential neighborhoods and connecting to the Detroit City Airport." - why isn't this mentioned when you first mention this avenue? The flow just seems a bit off in this paragraph, but understandably so given how dense the roads are in the motor city. I would also mention in this paragraph when it turns off of Gratiot Avenue, given you later say that it crosses the avenue again.
 * 5) I'm slightly uncomfortable with how "The Thumb" is referred in the article. It acts as if it's an official name with a clear boundary, which it doesn't (according to the article). I don't know how to get around that - I don't mind that it's used, I just wish the wording treated the region slightly less officially. If you can't think of a solution, don't worry too much, it's not a big deal.
 * 6) "Eight miles (13 km)" - per WP:MOSNUM, both units should either be abbreviated or spelled out - Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all in figures.
 * 7) "The chief transportation routes in 1701" - what's important about 1701? Would "early 18th century" work here too?

I'm numbering your points above for ease of replies.
 * 1) It's usually been a good practice to link because some people get confused over the term in relation to highways.
 * 2) *Yea, I agree. Make sure you link decommissioned then. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 3) It does turn there and change angles/directions from north-northeasterly (in comparing the routing to that of the parallel Telegraph Road, "both ran north-northeasterly in the area") to more of a just northeasterly direction. It's the joys of trying to describe things when the entire routing in that southern third is canted off north–south or east–west because it parallels the Lake Erie shoreline which is NNE–SSW or so, and the roads switch between NNE–SSW and NE–SW.
 * 4) *In that case, you should add another directional reference, as the order of directions in "State line to Downriver" is N, NNE, NE, N, NE (new paragraph), NE, NE. From the end of the first paragraph to the next one, it says  the two highways ran concurrently northeasterly, continued northeasterly, and  before turning more northeasterly, without references to new directions. I'm assuming there is a direction change in there that prompted the "before turning more northeasterly", but there is none listed. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 5) **Tweaked to try to make the angle changes more explicit.  Imzadi 1979  →   10:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 6) Tweaked.
 * 7) Tweaked, and noting that the point was already mentioned in the article where US 25/M-59 departed Gratiot Avenue to intersect I-94 west of New Baltimore.
 * 8) It's about as official as any of the other subregions of the two peninsulas as "Northern Michigan" (oddly refers only to the northern part of Lower Michigan and never to the UP even though Northern Michigan University is in the UP...) or "Central Michigan (which does have Central Michigan University in its midst).
 * 9) Tweaked
 * 10) The year 1701 marks the founding of Detroit, and while that's not the first settlement in the future state of Michigan (the UP has two cities that are older), it is the year demarcated in my sources for the first roadways the correspond to our state's highways, or the starting points of their explorations of the topic.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:27, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 11) *Makes sense. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 12) ** we should be good to go if you want to give this another look.  Imzadi 1979  →   10:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Thanks! Happy to support now. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Just read through the article. I could not find any errors. Everything seemed straightforward to me. The pictures were useful too. Glad to support. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 02:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Note -- Seems a while since we saw a roads article at FAC! I don't have time to check myself but is the info in the Major Intersections table mentioned/cited in the main body? Or is there a single source that covers all this data (citation #2)? cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * the content of that table is fairly unique to that section, as it is in every highway article. The specific mileposts, as statistics, are cited to that one source, but it would also back all of the counties/locations and the intersecting highways.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:12, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 11:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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