Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/U.S. Route 41 Business (Marquette, Michigan)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 16:31, 10 August 2012.

U.S. Route 41 Business (Marquette, Michigan)

 * Nominator(s):  Imzadi 1979  →   20:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I think it meets the criteria. It's a short former business route in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, but the roadway's history back to the city's founding is here. Enjoy!  Imzadi 1979  →   20:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comments - I have a few concerns with the article before I can support it for FA:
 * In the route description, you use "stoplight" and "stop light". Can this be made consistent?
 * "stop-sign-controlled"., I don't think there's supposed to be a hyphen between the first two words.
 * The route description has both the present tense for the current road and past tense for the former business route. Can this be made consistent?  Dough 48  72  01:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Replies:
 * Done.
 * Yes, it's a compound adjective.
 * No, it can't. The business route designation is in the past, so I can't use present tense with it. The streets still exist under their street names, so I can't use past tense with them. The only way to "fix" this is to lose the variety of ways to reference the roadway.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:02, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Article looks good now.  Dough 48  72  02:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - I read the article before its FAC nomination and was thoroughly impressed by the depth of research it represented. The history section is particularly rich, with details and applications that go far beyond standard requirements. I also like the relevant and high-quality illustrations. Certainly an example of outstanding work by the author. Juliancolton (talk) 04:36, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Minor comment - Please change "was" to "is" in the section titled "Major intersections". I think this thoroughfare is still existing, right? 89119 (talk) 07:38, 2 August 2012 (UTC) Never mind, just checked the article which proclaims that the route's number is now defunct.


 * Comments: Supported below Great to see a well written short article at FAC, much easier to review than combing through 12,000 words. I spotted very few issues--just some comments on the prose. It looks pretty good though, and will likely support soon. I made a few copyedits to the article, feel free to revert them.
 * "Those two streets originate with the early founding of the city in the middle of the 19th century. Jurisdiction over the two streets was transferred to the city" Some repetition of "two streets" here.
 * "The widest street in the city at 100 feet (30 m), Baraga Avenue was intended to be the city's main street when the city was originally laid out, " Some repetition of "city" here.
 * "The western terminus of former BUS US 41 is the west end of Washington Street" I'd suggest "The western terminus of BUS US 41 was the west end of Washington Street"
 * "The founding fathers arrived in Marquette on May 18, 1849, to settle the area" I'd suggest avoiding "founding fathers" here for clarity, maybe "Marquette's founding settlers arrived in the area on May 18, 1849,".
 * "In the last survey in 2004 from the department, there were 10,272 vehicles per day" potentially ambiguous, how about "In the department's last survey, conducted in 2004, there were 10,272 vehicles per day"
 * "As a part of these maintenance responsibilities, the department tracked the volume of traffic that used BUS US 41. These volumes are expressed using a metric called annual average daily traffic" Not a big issue, but you switch from past to present tense here. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, copy edits have been applied. Please let me know if additional changes should be made.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:41, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Fixes look good, glad to support this article. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Delegate notes
 * Not that taken with the opening sentence as it is now, i.e. Business US Highway 41 (BUS US 41) was a state trunkline highway that served as a business loop off US 41 and M-28 in the US state of Michigan through the city of Marquette along Washington and Front streets. -- as an Aussie I appreciate the thought of clarifying that Michigan is a US state, however I gathered that from the article title and three previous instances of "US" in this very sentence. Suggest better to drop that "US" and just link Michigan. You could even trim further and render as Business US Highway 41 (BUS US 41) was a state trunkline highway that served as a business loop off US 41 and M-28 through the city of Marquette, Michigan, along Washington and Front streets.
 * Image check, anyone? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sentence tweaked.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Image review. (still green at this).
 * File:Business plate.svg - Public domain
 * File:US 41.svg - Public domain
 * File:Business U.S. Route 41 (Marquette, MI) map.png - Released under several creative commons licenses; complies with their usage guidelines
 * File:Washington Street (Marquette, Michigan).jpg - Created by article nominator, released under creative commons 3.0
 * File:Front Street (Marquette, Michigan).jpg - Created by article nominator, released under creative commons 3.0
 * File:MarquetteMI FrontSt 1909.jpg - Public domain in Florida (that's all we need, right?); not PD in Mexico or Colombia however (3 years to go for the latter; 23 for the former)
 * File:Marquette, Michigan, 1927.jpg - Public domain; released without copyright in US between 1923 and 1977 (1927); author not given so I'm unsure of its status in other countries which don't implement rule of shorter term based on year of death. As above I believe our requirement is simply that it's PD in Florida, however.
 * If I understand our requirements for free imagery then everything here checks out alright as free and properly used. GRAPPLE   X  02:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Business U.S. Route 41 (Marquette, MI) map.png is a derivative work of several images, so should indicate a) the source images and b) the licenses of these images.
 * File:MarquetteMI FrontSt 1909.jpg - Source link seems dead
 * Otherwise the image review is spot on. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I clarified the information/licensing for the map. Unfortunately the source link has gone dead as the online exhibit at The Henry Ford has ended.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Doesn't have the name of the author though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a question: is the underlying map from a webprogram or drawn on your own? Open Map is free, but Google isn't. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * has it. (I searched for "P.DPC.071274" in Google, and that came up. ) It appears then that The Henry Ford didn't end the only exhibit, just reshuffled things online.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The USRD project uses freely available GIS data from the various states to generate its maps.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, that's fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Right now, the KML is not working for me on this article, either with Google or Bing. Chris857 (talk) 03:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I reverted some recent changes to Attached KML, and it works now.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


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