Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/USS Constellation vs La Vengeance/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ucucha 21:55, 2 September 2011.

USS Constellation vs La Vengeance

 * Nominator(s): XavierGreen (talk) 03:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because i believe that it meets that standards of a Featured Article. This article covers the engagement between the American frigate USS Constellation and the French frigate la Vengeance. It was one of the of the bloodiest battles of the Quasi War between France and the USA, and was the engagment that saw the most American casualties out of any in the conflict. The article has passed both a Good Article nomination as well as a WikiProject Military history A-class review. Any advice or comments are greatly appreciated.XavierGreen (talk) 03:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * No issues were revealed by copyscape searches. Graham Colm (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Support on prose per standard disclaimer, having reviewed the changes made since I reviewed this for A-class. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 13:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Issues in my collapse box above are resolved. Brad (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Consistency review of sources


 * Be consistent in whether you provide publisher locations for book sources.
 * FixedXavierGreen (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Be consistent in whether you hyphenate ISBNs.
 * Fixed, thanks for the review!XavierGreen (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Be consistent in whether you abbreviate middle names. Eisfbnore    &bull; talk   16:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard this one before, but I admit I don't keep up. Why wouldn't it be up to an author to decide how they want to be known? - Dank (push to talk) 16:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dunno, feel free to ignore that last point. Eisfbnore    &bull; talk   16:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Battle: In a couple places in this section, an "in order to" can be found. This is usually just unneeded wordiness and can safely be turned into "to" without affecting the meaning. The less wordy, the better.
 * See if you like what I did. I'll be back home in a couple of hours to look at the rest.  I stetted the first "in order to". - Dank (push to talk) 16:52, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comma would be helpful after "Midshipman David Porter".
 * Not getting a hit on that. - Dank (push to talk)
 * Aftermath: "French casualties included 29 killed and 41 wounded". In ship battles like this, do injured people really count as casualties? Not that knowledgeable about the topic, but it doesn't sound right to me.
 * A casualty is a person who's effectively removed from further action. - Dank (push to talk)
 * Yup, even captured soldiers can be refered to as casualties. In many historical works you'll see killed, captured, missing, and wounded all lumped together as casualties.
 * In ref 27, an en dash is needed in the page range.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 16:26, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I only see 15 refs. - Dank (push to talk) 21:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is embarrasing on my part: the article I reviewed was USS Constellation vs L'Insurgente, not this one. Oops. No wonder a few of the things up there don't add up.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As for this article, in the lead I see "Despite the fact that the French frigate...", which could be made less wordy in the form "Although the French frigate...".
 * Fixed.XavierGreen (talk) 15:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Aftermath: The use of "Unfortunately" could be seen as POV; perhaps something less strong would suffice? More importantly, that actually is in this article. :-)  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I got rid of the "unfortunately", and quite a bit more ... see if you like it. - Dank (push to talk) 02:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – The article, while a touch on the short side, is well-written and well-cited, and meets all of the FA criteria.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 00:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Media Review - Remove or replace File:ConstellationVengeance.jpg, which has been listed for deletion per the above discussion. Everything else is fine.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  22:04, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Deletion nomination was pulled.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  06:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Support Hchc2009 (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Spot check on Cooper and Shaffner marry up with the cited material in the article, no sign of close paraphrasing etc. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


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