Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States v. Ramsey (1926)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 02:17, 24 July 2015.

United States v. Ramsey (1926)

 * Nominator(s): GregJackP   Boomer!   04:35, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

This article is about the first murder investigation on an Indian Reservation by what would later become the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I believe that it meets the criteria for featured article. GregJackP  Boomer!   04:35, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk)
 * This one will make a great TFA ... Native Americans, the Supreme Court, the genesis of the FBI, a crime investigation ... this is going to appeal to a broad range of readers.
 * "United States ... United States ... United States": opinions differ on WP. Outside WP, it's no contest. U.S. (or US) has more support as the adjective (with specific exceptions). I made the edit.
 * Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 02:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Image review
 * Would suggest making the map slightly larger
 * File:Brown_hale.jpg: when/where were these images first published? Image description states pre-1923 but gives no details. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:12, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Increased map to 400px.
 * I'm not sure, but since Brown was killed in 1921, it had to be prior to 1923. The photo is from the FBI files on the case. GregJackP   Boomer!   22:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It had to be taken prior to 1923, but need not have been published then. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I hadn't thought of that. What should I do to fix it? GregJackP   Boomer!   03:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Try to track down either the original publication or more details about the source - this site attributes the images to fbi.gov, so you might be able to find some information there. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I looked there, no luck. I'll keep looking, but until then, I've removed the photo. GregJackP   Boomer!   17:28, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: I'm concerned at the extent to which this article relies on primary sources. Steve Smith (talk) 08:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , I'm sorry, I'm not clear on exactly what your concern is. MOSLAW provides that Where both primary and secondary sources are available, one should cite both. While primary sources are more "accurate", secondary sources provide more context and are easier on the layperson. Where primary and secondary sources conflict factually, the primary source should be given priority. Here, I have tried to make sure that every time I used a primary source I also used a secondary source for the same fact. For example, there are several laws dealing with Indians which are cited, and in each of these there is also a cite to either Kappler's book or another secondary source. The same thing where a case is cited, for example at fn47 the Ramsey case is cited, along with Donald Fixico's book. The use of both types of sources is comparable to Ex parte Crow Dog, United States v. Lara, and Menominee Tribe v. United States; all of which are featured articles and all of which have been Today's Featured Article on the main page. If you have some specific concerns I would be happy to address those. Regards, GregJackP   Boomer!   14:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Closing comment -- sorry but this review seems to have stalled so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 02:17, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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