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The article was archived by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2016.

Unlocked (Alexandra Stan album)

 * Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

This article is about the second studio album recorded by Romanian singer-songwriter Alexandra Stan. I believe it satisfies the FL criteria after its first run was archived. It has as well undergone a peer review. Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Nergaal
Nergaal Could you please return to give this nomination a support or oppose, please? Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Dan56
I'm leaning towards support, but please separate each writer's opinion so it is clear to the reader which is which; the same goes for the sentence about genres/influences. Also, the summary in the lead--about critics praising the album--doesn't seem accurate to me; there are only two reviews of this album discussed in the body, one which seems generally positive and another which seems negative. That "many" critics praised the album is a strong claim. If there aren't any more reviews to discuss, I would stay away from describing any kind of consensus or summary of critical reviews with only two that were known to have been published. Dan56 (talk) 00:09, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Comments from CaliforniaDreamsFan
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 * I'm not too sure about the usage of the Rihanna and Britney Spears' images; only one critic (as from the article) has cited comparisons towards the Unlocked album, which is a bit too much of WP:Non-free content (also WP:Image use policy).
 * {{Not done}} I think that's okay. As far as I know, these imgs are completely free to use. Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, why is there an absence of the other track lists? Aren't they a crucial part of the album, regardless if its released in specific regions.
 * {{Not done}} This was an implemented comments from the previous FC nomination of Unlocked. In fact, the track lists aren't anything special, so this pays off here. Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


 * There is also an overuse of citations in sentences like "The track—later included on Alesta (2016)[46]—reached the top thirty in Argentina,[47] Poland[48] and Turkey,[49] and the top sixty in Italy,[50] Romania[51] and Slovakia.[52]" (Plus, I don't think these ar neccessary, knowingly that the article already has these references.)
 * {{Done}} The citations are necessary, but tried to fix the issue. Have another look maybe? Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


 * No "alt" and caption in the infobox, knowing that there are two covers.
 * {{Done}} Alt was already there, but added caption now. Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

These are just some points that I have noticed. It's good work, don't get me wrong, but small things like these are still big needs for a FAC. CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk &middot;&#32;contribs} 04:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC) }} CaliforniaDreamsFan Could you please return to give this nomination a support or oppose, please? Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Carbrera

 * Shouldn't the label in the infobox only list the record company from the initial release? In this case, being Victor?
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Adevărul should be italicized
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Note A should actually be physically described in the "Track listing" section so it's complete
 * ✅ written out Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The DVD release mentions a DVD format of Unlocked being released, yet there is no mention of it in the article
 * ✅ mentioned about it in the "Background and development" section. Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * More to come. Carbrera (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * @: Everything done so far. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera Could you please return to give this nomination a support or oppose (by continuing your review), please? Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:55, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera Can you end this? Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:04, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think the photo of Britney Spears is necessarily beneficial to the article; you can barely see her face
 * ✅ Replaced with another one. Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * ""Dance" and "Little Lies" were compared to French disc jockey David Guetta and Spears' Britney Jean (2013) album, respectively." → Who made this comparison?
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It doesn't look like Unlocked was released as a DVD, but rather a CD with a bonus DVD, so the "CD Releases" table should just list the format with something like "Deluxe + DVD" or "Deluxe with DVD" (not a separate table)
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Reference #5 should have a link for the iTunes Store in the parameter
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The lengths in the "Track listing" don't add up to 57:30
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:30, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I believe some policy wants "2013-14" to be "2013-2014" now
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Could you abbreviate "Rhythm and blues" to "R&B"?


 * Shouldn't there be a track listing for "We Wanna"? There should be a dropdown for each available track listing of the album
 * ❌ See below Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:59, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


 * You state "six singles" in the lead prose but only include five in the infobox
 * Only five songs were released as singles as promoting the album. However, a "sixth one", "We Wanna", was released for the next studio album, but still appears on few versions of Unlocked.

All done! Thank you! Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:30, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the German track listing be included in "Track listing" as well? Carbrera (talk) 02:20, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It initially did feature other tracklistings as well, but the former FA nomination suggested that only the main tracklist should be added. Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've done all your comments. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:15, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for bothering you, but I've pinged you like three times and I didn't respond. Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera
 * The only thing I'm confused about is why there wouldn't be a dropdown for other editions of the album. Almost every album on Wikipedia with multiple editions displays the other versions for the reader; why shouldn't this one? Carbrera (talk) 00:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed it now. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera, can you oppose or support the nomination now? I'm like pinging you countless times and you're not responding. Cartoon network freak (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize, but I am still confused as the track listing you added still does not show the song "We Wanna", despite it being mentioned in the article. Also, the additional edition should include info such as the writers and the producers. Carbrera (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera, I think I've fixed this now. Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there any information available on the producer for "Zoom Zoom"? Carbrera (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera, Sorry, but there is no info. Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I would strongly advise removing the "Writer(s)" and "Producer(s)" columns from that tracklist since they are empty and serve no purpose. Carbrera (talk) 00:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Carbrera Removed the latter column. Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Giants2008
Giants2008 Could you please return to give this nomination a support or oppose, please? Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:55, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Jennica
Support --Jennica ✿ / talk 23:30, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47

 * I would combine the first two sentences of the lead in a similar fashion to that done by 4 (Beyoncé album) to make something along the lines of "Unlocked is the second studio album by Romanian singer and songwriter Alexandra Stan, released on 27 August 2014  by Victor Entertainment." The bits about the album being a follow-up to Saxobeat is unnecessary (it is assumed when you say it is the second studio album that it will naturally be a follow-up to the first one) and being released digitally (as it implies the album was only released digitally when in fact there was a CD release according to the rest of the article).
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * There are a lot of adjectives in front of FonoCamp in the lead. I would prefer if you replace that with "the first international songwriting camp FonoCamp" as you have worded it in the body of the article to make it clear what exactly this event is for unfamiliar readers.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Information about the Cherry Pop Summer Tour and Unlocked Tour should be in the "Promotion" section of this article for two reasons: 1) it is a major part of the album and without this information clearly put in the article than it is not comprehensive enough to be a featured article and 2) everything in the lead has to be in the article in some way shape or form. You even have an image from the tour in that section without actually mentioning the tour. You need to include general information about both tours (when they took place and critical responses to it). This is a major issue that I am surprised and concerned that no one has brought this rather large absence of information up in the reviews before this.
 * Once you add the information on the tours to the body of the article, remove the references in the lead (as during the expansion, the references should be in the "Promotion" section).
 * Also, did Alexandra Stan perform the music anywhere outside the tour or do any major press interviews or something along those lines for the album? That should be in the "Promotion" section as well. The "Promotion" section as it currently stands only covers the album's singles and not much else of the actual album's promotion outside of that.
 * Only one reviewer made comparisons between this album and those by Britney, Rihanna, and Sia so the final sentence of the second paragraph of the lead is somewhat misleading. You could modify it to the following to more accurate: "Critics gave generally positive reviews of the album, with one comparing it to works by American singer Britney Spears, Barbadian recording artist Rihanna and Australian performer Sia."
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Say Billboard Japan Hot 100 in the third paragraph of the lead. No reason to remove the Billboard part of the link.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Remove "managed to reach" to just "reached"
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Remove the semicolon after Poland. That's not how semicolons work. You don't need any form of punctuation there.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The subtitle for the block quote should "talking about" not "on talking about". The way you have it worded it now means she is talking about how she talked about the album, which is not correct.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * No need for the commas around Saxobeats (2011) in the first sentence of the "Background and development" section.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "Shortly after"? Do you have an exact time? If not, it may be better to just say "After".
 * ✅ Added "After" Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The first two paragraphs of the same section read rather awkwardly and disjointed to me. I believe a revision of both paragraphs would make all of the information flow more clearly together. Remember that to qualify as a featured article, the prose has to be strong and I do not believe that the prose of this section is very strong.
 * ✅ Tried to reword a little bit Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I am confused by the transition "After her recovery". Her recovery from what? Yeah, you said there were allegations of physical abuse from her former manager, but it seems like there is something missing connecting this two things together.
 * ✅ Completing this a little bit Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You identify Prodan as a manager twice in the first paragraph of the same section.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * In the "Background and development" section, you discuss the album's singles. This section would be more appropriate for the "Promotion" section. In fact, there is some overlap between the two sections where it is a little too repetitive for my liking.
 * ✅ Changed some things; take another look Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You also include a lot of information about the album's release, which should be put after the sections dealing with the background and recording of the album. I would suggest moving the information about the release of the album from this section and the information on the artwork of the album from the next section into a new section entitled "Release and artwork" as done in 4 (Beyoncé album).
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The first half of the "Recording and artwork" paragraph is very disorganized. You start off by talking about the writing process and then the composition of the album (the various genres, and the lyrical content). It is all really good information, but it needs a major revision. Also, a lot of this information does not deal with the actual recording process of the album, but instead deals with again the writing and composition.
 * ✅ Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I would suggest making a section entitled "Recording and composition" where you can put all of the information about these two. I am not a fan of the way the article is structured right now at all, as I believe it is very confusing and not what I would expect for a featured article.
 * ❌ I've modified this in another way; take a look now Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * This sentence ("Vanilla Chocolat" and "We Wanna" feature lyrics written in French and Spanish, respectively.) does not have a reference.
 * ✅ Added the credits because of lyrics booklet Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

I want to first say that you have great work with this article and it definitely deserves to be a good article. Unfortunately, I do not believe that it is ready in its current state to be a featured article. There are just too many issues I have with the content (like where is the information about the tours?) and the structure (the first two sections are very messy and need revision to clear lay out a narrative for the reader). I know that this is not the answer you want to hear, especially since this has been up here since the end of August, but I have to oppose this, as I really do believe it is not up to the level expected for a featured article as this time. Aoba47 (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not find the image in the "Promotion" section to be that helpful to be honest and would recommend removing it. It is rather low quality, and would suggest replacing it with a different one if possible.
 * I agree with a previous reviewer that the images of Rihanna and Britney should be removed as it is giving undue weight to one review of the album. If at least two reviews noted a similarity to these two artists, it would be fine, but I find the images to be appropriate for this. My issue with this is the context in which the images are used.
 * You only have two reviews for the album. I would imagine there has to be more than that. I would suggest finding at least one or two more if possible.

Coordinator note: This nomination has been open for almost four months and I do not see a consensus for promotion to Featured status. Therefore, I will be archiving the nomination. -- Laser brain  (talk)  18:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

-- Laser brain  (talk)  18:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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