Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Uru: Ages Beyond Myst


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The article was promoted by Karanacs 17:37, 17 March 2009.

Uru: Ages Beyond Myst

 * Nominator(s): Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk  )

The issues at last FAC (specifically, prose) was cleared up with Laser brain's kind assistance. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 20:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - I've been through this article a fair number of times and I don't see any issues remaining. -- Laser brain  (talk)  21:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Technical Review
 * Dabs (dabs checker tool)
 * ...are found up to speed.
 * External links (links checker tool)
 * There is a dead link
 * Ref formatting (WP:REFTOOLS)
 * The following ref names are used more than once to name different refs, when they should only be naming one specific ref.
 * ja-until
 * gamespot-review -- ₮ RU  C Ө   23:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed deadlink and duped ref calls. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...is up to speed.-- ₮ RU  C Ө   02:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * What makes http://www.justadventure.com a reliable source?
 * http://www.avault.com/reviews/pc/uru-ages-beyond-myst/2/ deadlinks
 * What makes http://www.adventuregamers.com/index.php a reliable source?
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just Adventure "According to its about, it has editorial policies and editors, and has been referenced in reliable print publications. It's an interview and is being used solely to source the interviewee's comments, not any content by the site's authors", and you say "I'll leave these out for other reviewers to decide for themselves." Sorry I forgot to put that at the top of the FAC so you wouldn't have to worry about that: as for Adventure Gamers: trusted reviewer at Metacritic and Game Rankings, around for 10 years, there is an editor-and-chief, and here's its other editorial policies. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Then I'll leave these out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. (grins). Ealdgyth - Talk 15:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments Prose/Layout/Style
 * Plot
 * "Unlike previous games, Uru's story mixes fictional plot elements with real-world events." - Maybe this should start with "Unlike previous games in the series..." so it's not so inclusive.
 * "Players begin Uru's story in New Mexico by the Cleft..." - "...near the Cleft" might be more clear.
 * Development
 * "...saying "there is not [sic] leveling and skills and monsters and experience in any artificial sense." - Does this require a [sic]? It's an awkwardly worded sentence to be sure, but it seems grammatically correct, considering its use of the word "leveling" as a gaming concept.
 * "The game was originally conceived as a multiplayer-only game where players could meet solve new puzzles added monthly." - This might read better as "The game was originally conceived as a multiplayer-only game where players could meet solve new puzzles that would be added monthly."
 * "...Cyan eventually developed the single-player portion as well." - Might sound better with an "a" instead of "the".
 * "Uru was released with Uru Live delayed." - A little unclear. Maybe something like "Uru was released on schedule, but the multiplayer portion was delayed."
 * Audio
 * "When the player is in the game's rendering of New Mexico, for example, Larkin used resonator guitar and flutes, creating what he calls something "indigenous to a southwest type of feel that's very contemporary",[26] while in other areas Larkin described the game's music as being "less typical than what you would find in most games"[26] due to the developers creating an exotic landscape." - Run-on/unclear/tense issues—consider something like "When the player is in the game's representation of New Mexico, for example, Larkin used a resonator guitar and flutes, creating what he called something 'indigenous to a southwest type of feel that's very contemporary'.[26] In other areas Larkin described the game's music as being 'less typical than what you would find in most games'  because of the exotic landscape the developers had created.[26]" This also serves to rearrange those inline citations so they're not in the middle of a sentence.
 * Is that soundtrack track listing necessary? I don't think it really adds anything to the article...if it really needs to be there, it should at least be auto-collapsed for aesthetic reasons.
 * Uru Live
 * "GameTap brought Myst Online online in February 2007..." - To avoid two "onlines" in a row, it might read better as "GameTap released Myst Online in February 2007..."
 * This section is in kind of an awkward location, between Audio and Reception. Would it be better to make it another subsection of Development (either before or after Audio)?
 * There is an instance of an inline citation in the middle of a sentence, not after a punctuation mark (#33). There may be others scattered around, so be sure to rearrange them so they don't clutter up sentences.
 * Reception
 * "There was no possible port to the Macintosh, one of the early communities to adopt the Myst franchise due to a misunderstanding between Cyan and the company who did the main distribution porting." - A little awkward, consider rewording to something like "A port of the game to the Macintosh was out of the question because of a misunderstanding between Cyan and the company that did its main distribution porting, despite the popularity of the Myst franchise among Mac users." Also, this sentence seems development-based, and so feels a little out of place in Reception.
 * The entire word of "GameSpot's" should probably be wikilinked.
 * Should "near closure" be hyphenated?

Comprehensiveness
 * What are the "D'ni"? Are they a human civilization, or humanoid?  Are they from a different planet?  Later sentences in this section make it clear that the ending was fuzzy, and if so maybe the D'ni should be initially referred to as "mysterious" or "enigmatic" so readers don't feel like they're missing something.
 * Are there any more review scores that could be added to the review infobox?
 * The article mentions that it was nominated for two G.A.N.G. awards, but doesn't say if it won, or who did if it lost.

Sources
 * "There was no possible port to the Macintosh, one of the early communities to adopt the Myst franchise due to a misunderstanding between Cyan and the company who did the main distribution porting." - This sentence should have an inline citation. Also, there is a sentence about a Macintosh version in the Uru Live section, so they appear to conflict with each other.
 * "GameTap brought Myst Online online in February 2007, also making a Macintosh version of the game available in May." - This sentence should probably have an inline citation, unless it's covered by the one in the following sentence.
 * Is there an online location for the video reference (#10), or any other identifying features? In its current form, it is difficult to verify.
 * "The Uru soundtrack received two Game Audio Network Guild (G.A.N.G.) nominations in 2004—one for "Best Original Vocal Song (Choral)" for the "Gallery Theme", and another for "Best Original Soundtrack." - This should probably have an inline citation.

Support - All of my issues have been addressed. I'm happy with the prose, as well as the sources and images. Good work! —   Levi van Tine  ( t  –  c )   06:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I've gotten to everything. There aren't any more numerical scores to add to the reviews table, unfortunately. The bit about the Macintosh port was vandalism and has been removed; I've added a citation and gone ahead and implemented your suggested changes. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 13:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks great. I have a few more notes (see above).  I still feel that track listing should be removed or auto-collapsed though, unless you have a good reason to the contrary. Also, per the instructions at, each review in that infobox should have an inline citation.  I've gone ahead and added them, because the references are already in the article anyways.  Oh, and I also changed GameSpy's rating to look like stars because they use a 5-star system, and I changed two instances of "Gamespy" to look like "GameSpy" because I think that's how they render it.  Does that vandalism threaten 1(e)? —    Levi van Tine  ( t  –  c )   14:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine. I added the citation; as to the track listing, I've hidden in previous articles but due to readability issues that's not the best option, so I leave it expanded; since there's a fair amount about audio (as opposed to a stub) and a specific song was award-winning, et al, I'd rather leave it. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 21:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. —   Levi van Tine  ( t  –  c )   07:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I played this one, once. The article is all in order, and most of the issues to be handled have been handled. The prose and copyediting is great. ResMar 21:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Support Comments A very good article. Hekerui (talk) 02:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The sales number is described as 450,000, but the source states this number also includes sales from Myst Exile, not only Uru. It also lacks some specification, such as "sales up to August 2004". The game surely sold more copies in the last five years.
 * "Uru's sales were disappointing, moving 450,000 units by late 2004;" could be improved in grammar, sales are not moving something, retailers are. Hekerui (talk) 01:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgot about that. The 450,000 unit total for both games is completely and utterly off the mark, considering I've got an individual ref in Myst III: Exile that pegs its sales at at least 1 million alone by 2002, and that number meshes more with the 12 million total units for the franchise. So I removed the figure entirely. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 02:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still in the lead. Hekerui (talk) 02:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My bad; fixed. -- Der Wohltempierte Fuchs ( talk ) 02:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
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