Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vazgen Sargsyan/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:GrahamColm 00:41, 23 July 2013 (UTC).

Vazgen Sargsyan

 * Nominator(s): Ե րևանցի  talk  22:08, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Vazgen Sargsyan is one of the most inportant figures in the modern Armenian history, although he only lived up to 40 and was a public figure for less than a decade, he is widely recognized a national hero, founder of the Armenian army, the main commander of the Armenian forces during the Nagorno-Karabakh War with Azerbaijan and a dictator-like reign as Defence Minister and Prime Minister from 1995 until his assassination in 1999. During these four years he ousted Armenia's first President Levon Ter-Petrosyan and brought Robert Kocharyan into power and built an army which many describe as the strongest in the region and in the former Soviet countries. Sargsyan was a somewhat controversial figure in the 1990s Armenia, however, today he is perceived as a positive figure by most Armenians. I'm nominating his article for FA for the reasons I mentioned above. I completely rewrote the article from late March to mid-June of this year and it was promoted as a Good Article today and I do believe that the article is close to being high quality. Ե րևանցի talk  22:08, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Delegate's comment - This nomination is premature, there are obvious problems with the prose that are immediately apparent even to the casual reader: The whole article is riddled with grammatical errors. I suggest withdrawing the nomination and seeking a thorough copyedit. I am surprised that this has been elevated to GA status. Graham Colm (talk) 22:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Few year after the election" - where is the article and the plural?
 * "By early 1994, both sides have realized the devastating effects of the war and on May 5" - wrong tense.
 * "of the total vote inf favor of the incumbent" - in favor?
 * "Since 1995 until his resignation in February 1998, Ter-Petrosyan was being criticized for his alleged authoritarian rule." - wrong tense.
 * "President Levon Ter-Petrosyan announced about his resignation on February 3, 1998." - why add "about"?
 * "During the election campaign, Sargsyan pledged that he will spare no effort to make sure the elections are free and fair.." - wrong tense.
 * "showed a decline in Human Development indicators" - what on Earth are "Human Development indicators"?
 * LOL why so harsh? Nobody's grammar is perfect, especially of a non-native speaker's grammar. These mistakes are easy to fix, aren't they? Who said an article should be perfect by the time it gets to the FA nomination? Just take a look at already promoted Featured articles. -- Ե րևանցի  talk  22:57, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There are too many mistakes and the prose is not even close to FA standards. This is not the place to get basic errors fixed. I suggest a thorough copyedit by a native speaker followed by a peer review. Graham Colm (talk) 23:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I would've done it a long time ago, but I do no have much confidence in copy editors here. Sometimes they make changes that, at the end, worsen the whole article as they don't have much information about the topic they edit. If you know a user that will actually be helpful please give me their name(s) and I will ask them to look through. -- Ե րևանցի talk  23:20, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please forgive my bluntness, while it is clear that much time and effort has been invested in this contribution, the prose is poor and some parts are incomprehensible. The numerous errors in the article are so basic that a simple check using Microsoft Word would find many of them. I suggest that you withdraw the nomination and seek help here. Graham Colm (talk) 23:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Oppose. Yerevancil, I understand your concern regarding detrimental feedback from uninformed editors; this is one of the fundamental challenges of collaborative authorship. However, the spelling and grammar errors in this article are so basic and so pervasive that a reader of any familiarity level would find them detrimental. As GrahamColm points out above, even the use of simple spellcheck software would greatly improve the readablity of this article. Such a step should be taken long before a FAC, not during it. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 02:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I started doing some copyedits, but then information started to confuse me and I stopped. Unfortunately the article didn't had a proper GA review which read like a quick pass from a lazy reviewer which is a shame. I could do a complete review on this article, but it needs to be in peer review first, not here. Secret account 03:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawn as suggested by three users above. Perhaps, peer review is the right place for now. -- Ե րևանցի talk  03:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Graham Colm (talk) 08:28, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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