Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Verdeja (tank)


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 16:00, 13 June 2008.

Verdeja (tank)
Self-Nominator; the Verdeja article has been peer-reviewed, was promoted to Good Article and has just been promoted to an A-class article within the Military History WikiProject. I believe it meets featured article criteria and, if not, I am willing to spend as much time as necessary to edit it until it does. JonCatalan (talk) 09:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Comments
 * There should be a non-breaking space between measurement and unit.
 * I'm pretty sure units should be spelled out in text (i.e. km versus kilometer/kilometre).
 * A few refs are misplaced - either a space between the punctuation and the ref or the ref before the punctuation.
 * "The Verdeja was a series of light tanks developed in Spain between 1938 and 1954, in an attempt to replace German Panzer I and Soviet T-26 tanks in Spanish service." - why the comma?
 * "The Verdeja was designed as an advanced light tank and was one of the first development programs which took into account survivability, as opposed to protection." - why the comma again? Also, it's not clear what is meant by "survivability".
 * Three consecutive sentences in the lead begin with "The Verdeja" and four sentences total (out of five) in the first paragraph write it out in full - use pronouns more often!
 * "Interest in the vehicle's development waned after the end of the Second World War and, despite attempts to fit a new engine in the Verdeja 2 and convert the Verdeja 1 into a self-propelled artillery piece, ultimately the program was unofficially canceled in favor of adopting the US M47 Patton Tank in 1954." - run-on sentence.
 * "A prototype of the 75 mm self-propelled howitzer,[4] and of the Verdeja 2 remain, and are currently on display.[5]" - why the comma?
 * Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 01:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks!
 * All units should already have a non-breaking space between them and the measurement.
 * Is there somewhere on the Manual of Style that this is mentioned? Neither the T-26 article (which I was the main contributor to when it was getting featured status) nor the T-34 article (not written by me) spelt out units completely in the text.
 * All the refs are after the punctuation, as I was told to do per MoS in the T-26 article. I will add a non-breaking space, however. EDIT: I took it out as per Footnotes.
 * Comma removed.
 * Comma removed. I changed the sentence to -  The Verdeja was designed as an advanced light tank and was one of the first development programs which took into account survivability of the crew as opposed to the protection of the tank.
 * I took out some of the Verdejas, and replaced them with pronouns.
 * This sentence was split into two sentences.
 * Comma removed!
 * JonCatalan (talk) 09:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * For #2, I'll look it up. For #3, you misunderstood me - I meant that one of the existing refs had a space between it and the period before I made my comment and was asking you to get rid of it. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 20:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For #3 it has been changed, my mistake. For #2 the MoS is not very clear.  It says abbreviations for units should be used in tables and infoboxes, but does not specify in the text.  Ah, found it - In the main text, give the main units as words and use unit symbols or abbreviations for conversions in parentheses; - I will change. JonCatalan (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Support - good prose in lead, no MOS issues. Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 19:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Gary King ( talk ) 21:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Support Meets all WP:FACR criteria.  Oc t  ane  [ improve me? ] 08.06.08 2129 (UTC)


 * Support I do have a question though: is there so reason why survivability is italisized int he intro? If there isn't, I would suggest unitalisizing it. TomStar81 (Talk) 02:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will unitalisize it. JonCatalan (talk) 10:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Comment: Is there any particular reason why this article isn't called Verdeja (tank)? The current name doesn't seem particularly transparent to me. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 05:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're right. At least, Verdeja should disambiguate between Felix Verdeja and the tank.  The issue is that I don't really know how to change article names.  But, I'll do something similar to the Lince article and have a link that goes to Felix Verdeja at the top. JonCatalan (talk) 10:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I moved this to Verdeja (tank) and updated all the FAC, PR and ACR links :) -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 07:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you! JonCatalan (talk) 07:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Notes: I found more MoS errors than expected (WP:MSH, WP:MOSNUM, WP:MOSDATE, WP:MOSBOLD), so I recommend asking to run through after the undoubtedly unreliable source jedsite.com is removed.  (Pairing it with another source doesn't justify inclusion of any information from a contributor self-published site; better would be to stick to the book source information and remove the individual contributor homepages.)  I also suspect that attention is needed to wikilinking, and will be looking at that more closely on my next pass.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, here are some questions, though -
 * I don't understand the issue with Jedsite. If those references are paired, then what does it matter?  It offers a free reference for people reading the article, while its reliability is reinforced by the fact that I also paired it with a book reference.  So, I don't really understand the issue.
 * What specifically is wrong with the headers? The headers follow the section headings guidelines.  I think referring to the topic is necessary, because 'first prototype' and 'second prototype' would be more indirect and far more confusing.
 * All precise language has been changed. Specifically, information related to their current locations.
 * Anything in specific regarding MOSNUM? I added non breaking spaces to some words and dates, but anything specific?
 * Unecessary italics were removed; although foreign words are still italisized per WP:MOSBOLD.
 * JonCatalan (talk) 09:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand the points SG is making. I've fixed the section headings for MoS-compliance. I'll deal with the rest shortly. In the meantime, I suggest you ditch Jedsite: it's only three refs anyway and I can't find anything attesting to its reliability. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 10:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, Jedsite has been removed. JonCatalan (talk) 10:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Please add/review the language icon (es icon) to the sources; I did a few. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! JonCatalan (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
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