Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Verpa bohemica/archive1


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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 20:13, 19 June 2011.

Verpa bohemica

 * Nominator(s): Sasata (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Verpa bohemica is a "false morel" mushroom species, formerly thought to be edible (and still eaten by some), but now considered dangerous to eat. The article has improved considerably since its GAN 2 years ago, and although it is relatively short, I think it meets (or is close to meeting) the FA criteria. Thanks for reading. Sasata (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Support. Major comments addressed; meets the criteria. Ucucha 18:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Comments from Ucucha: Ucucha 08:17, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Lead should be longer; at least, the distribution in India should be mentioned.
 * I take it Ptychoverpa included only V. bohemica? If so, that should probably be made explicit.
 * Define "hyaline"
 * You mention twice in the "Description" section that the spores are abnormally large.
 * What makes it necessary to include that long quote here, and why is there a quotation mark in the middle of it? Also, are "reponse" and "stimilus" in the original?
 * The part of Turkey where it occurs (according to the title of the ref: Mut, Mersin) isn't in Europe.
 * Thank you for your review. I have fixed all of the concerns above. Regarding the quote, I thought it was interesting, and a nice way to break up the flow of what would otherwise be a boring uninteresting to most section on microscopic characteristics. YMMV, and I don't mind removing it if others agree that it doesn't fit. Sasata (talk) 04:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What, microscopic characteristics are boring? Next thing you'll be saying descriptions of mammalian teeth are boring. I can see your point, but I'm not sure it applies here—the quote is also full of scary words, and doesn't sound much less uninteresting than the rest of the text. Ucucha 07:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For Canadian locations, province would be more helpful than country
 * University of Michigan Press or The University of Michigan Press?
 * Ref 38: formatting. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have fixed these, thanks for checking. Sasata (talk) 04:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Support&mdash;RJH (talk) 20:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment&mdash;For a lay reader like me, this article appears to be in good shape and I am close to support. However, I do have a few small concerns:


 * Please fix this ambiguous statement: "It grows on the ground in woods and fruits in early spring following the snow melt..." Does it grow in fruits, or does it "fruit" in early spring? (The Ecology section would suggest the latter.)
 * Thanks for catching that, I'm so used to thinking of "fruit" as a verb, I missed the alternate meaning completely! Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * In the Taxonomy section, the article lists 'von Krombholz' as a Czech mycologist, but the article the fails to provide the same nationality/profession information for the other individuals listed. Please could that information be added to the Taxonomy and Edibility sections?
 * I took out the nationality of the first instance rather than inserting them for all the rest. All of these names are bluelinked, so the reader can go to those pages if they want more details; removed the names from the edibility section for similar reasons. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, some reviewers like to see that information, so I'll leave this entry open but not let it impact my preference. Thanks. RJH (talk)


 * The fungus' taste is described at the end of the first paragraph in Description then again at the end of the Edibility section. Would it make sense to combine these in one location?
 * Yes it would. I removed the duplicate mention from the description section. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The text mixes spaced en-dashes (...only – hanging...) and unspaced em-dashes (...are heliotropic—they...). Please choose one style and be consistent.
 * Changed that instance to emdash. Endashes should now be used only for number ranges. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding the references:
 * A pair of the references are unlinked, but appear to have copies available online:
 * Kryptogamen-Flora von Schlesien
 * Have now linked to this one thanks! Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Histoire et classification des discomycètes d'Europe
 * I can't preview (and thus link to) the cited page. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This seems to work: http://books.google.com/books?id=Q8MUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA34
 * Added. RJH (talk)
 * I couldn't find a copy of Skirgiello (1967) under the English title, but it is listed in various locations with the Polish title, Materiały do poznania rozmieszczenia geograficznego grzybów wyższych w Europie. II. By contrast, the Svrček (1981) reference lists both the original and the English equivalent title. Should the same be done for the Skirgiello reference?
 * Very good, I have added the original Polish title to the citation. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I had no luck trying to validate the Skirgiello (1960) reference via Google. Could you confirm that reference is listed correctly?
 * After some digging I found the original French-language title, and have now included that in the citation. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Should the synopsis of Tiffany, Knaphaus and Huffman (1998) be linked into the article reference?
 * Good idea—done. Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank-you for your helpful suggestions. While you're here, any opinion on the quote in the description section? Sasata (talk) 00:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Only that you might want to use the Quote template. Thanks.&mdash;RJH (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Comments  - notes below: Casliber (talk · contribs)


 * I am presuming the species name is derived from where it was first collected and described - we don't have a source that mentions this, do we? It otherwise looks a little odd that it is named for Bohemia without a reason (unless it likes to live in Haight-Ashbury, play the bongos and not work for a living...)


 * I 'm not sure I agree with the link to gyromitrin in a See also section - this mushroom is not known to have that, and G. esculenta is already discussed and linked in the text body.

Otherwise looking good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All fixed; thanks for the comments and support. Sasata (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Images check out, copyrightwise. How did I miss this nom? J Milburn (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Support. Very readable and very interesting. Three quick comments:
 * I'm assuming there has been no phylogenetic research on the species to report?
 * The only relevant info I could find was where they used the species as an example Verpa in a broader phylogenetic study, so it's more appropriate (and will eventually find its way into) to the genus article. Sasata (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Category:Edible fungi? Category:Poisonous fungi?
 * The last one is borderline... we don't really have a convenient category for "edible with preparation, but might be poisonous otherwise, to some". I put the category in for now and anticipate eventual further discussion about this issue on the wikiProject talk pages. Sasata (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Regardless, I'm happy to support. J Milburn (talk) 23:52, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The last paragraph is the first time you refer to species by their common name rather than specific name- why the sudden change?
 * Thanks for the support. I included the common names in this case as a convenience... the average reader is more likely to know the common names for the morels that are listed. Sasata (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support and comments just a couple of observations  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Although the Buller quote is formatted as such, because it's sandwiched between images it doesn't look like a blockquote. Perhaps add quotation marks to make more obvious?
 * I removed the blockquote formatting (and added quote marks); it wasn't over 4 lines anyways (as recommended by MoS). Sasata (talk) 18:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The list of European countries seems fragmented, with records apparently from Scandinavia and Germany, but not Denmark or the Baltic states. Is it possible to give an overall picture, like "northern Europe"?
 * I tweaked the text to say "widely distributed" in Europe, which is about as much I can generalize without a source explicitly saying so (found a source for Denmark too, but not the Baltic states). If the listy distribution offends too greatly, I could move the countries & their citations to a footnote to improve text flow (?) without losing the specifics. Sasata (talk) 18:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


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